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    Quote Originally Posted by Vyrerus View Post
    It's been a while since I played Dancer, but I'd say the reason they can't and shouldn't consolidate the procs is due to the nature of combos. I can't actually recall if Dancer combos are interrupted if you use the proc immediately, but if they are, then the order of using the skills has to be Combo > Proc. If they consolidate the buttons, this doesn't allow you to save procs(and also means they have to set each combo to also combo off the proc skill), and later on you will get a skill that causes you to gain every proc simultaneously, allowing you to do your highest damage GCDs outside of steps back to back in any order.
    Procs do not interrupt combos, so you could, for example, do something like this:

    Cascade (no proc) > Fountain (proc Fountainfall) > Cascade (proc Reverse Cascade) > Reverse Cascade > Fountainfall > Fountain (proc Fountainfall)

    which in terms of buttons looks something like this:



    Here's what that same sequence would look like with button consolidation (excuse the numbers):


    Knowing the devs, I'd wager they think this looks confusing and consequently consciously chose not to consolidate these buttons. I'm especially inclined to believe this once you take into account Flourish, which instantly procs all flourishes. In the unconsolidated version, it's much easier to tell whether or not you have any procs that will be wasted because there's a clear difference between dimmed buttons and active dashed outlined butons. In the consolidated version, you have to exert more cognitive effort because there are never dimmed buttons. Is the second dashed outlined button a proc or just the base second step in the combo? It would take longer to learn how to screen for Flourish with that system.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rongway View Post
    Procs do not interrupt combos, so you could, for example, do something like this:

    Cascade (no proc) > Fountain (proc Fountainfall) > Cascade (proc Reverse Cascade) > Reverse Cascade > Fountainfall > Fountain (proc Fountainfall)

    which in terms of buttons looks something like this:



    Here's what that same sequence would look like with button consolidation (excuse the numbers):


    Knowing the devs, I'd wager they think this looks confusing and consequently consciously chose not to consolidate these buttons. I'm especially inclined to believe this once you take into account Flourish, which instantly procs all flourishes. In the unconsolidated version, it's much easier to tell whether or not you have any procs that will be wasted because there's a clear difference between dimmed buttons and active dashed outlined butons. In the consolidated version, you have to exert more cognitive effort because there are never dimmed buttons. Is the second dashed outlined button a proc or just the base second step in the combo? It would take longer to learn how to screen for Flourish with that system.
    And how would they transform into the four dance steps?

    Dancer is already one of the jobs with the fewest buttons, and already consolidates four of it's skills into other buttons.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Seraphor View Post
    And how would they transform into the four dance steps?
    They could just consolidate the dance steps into 1 button I guess..?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Seraphor View Post
    And how would they transform into the four dance steps?
    Well, Dancer would still have four buttons for weaponskills at the level they gain access to Standard Step and Technical Step: Two single target, and two aoe. It wouldn't be ridiculous to have the aoe buttons turn into Dance steps in place of the missing single target proc buttons.
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