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[KizuyaKatogami]

The fact that we have a semi-functional cure for Tempering can be directly traced back to Alisae's connection to Tesleen and the others stationed at The Inn at Journey's Head and her wanting to heal them from their corruption by the Sin Eaters in 5.X, what are you even talking about?

Yes but Alisaie herself got shoved to the side after that. She semi absent in il mheg,absent in raktika, and absent for a majority of the return to amh araeng. We don’t get to see any of the actual impact until the patches where she returns to halric and even then it’s meh.

[Lauront]

On a completely different perspective, I don't see any need to remove the current cast or "make way for new characters" at all.

If it actively suits the narrative for someone to leave or die, that's fine. But they don't need to move on just because they are long-term cast members - quite the opposite. They keep a consistent picture of "our character and their group of friends" who have been there since the beginning of our journey.

We might strike out on our own in 6.1, but I don't want it to be because everyone else was incapacitated in our final battle. That's unnecessary and cruel after they've come so far with us.

And if it actively suits the narrative to have them incapacitated in the final battle? Why is that off bounds? I don't see it as unnecessary or cruel.

I mean, the result of him still doing his job is that he spends long sections of Stormblood's story offscreen because he can't teleport like everyone else does. That's a pretty big consequence when compared to Y'shtola's blindness. All that has meant is that she has to burn aether to see, which is absolutely not going to cost her anything during the scope of FFXIV's story.

There's also Minfilia, who gave up her body and soul to Hydaelyn. And while the writers took great pains to distance everything Minfilia-related from the revelation that Hydaelyn is a primal, it's not hard to believe that she was tempered all the way up to her "suicide via passing the torch" moment. And the result of that whole mess is that the writers barely used her at all, and even took steps to write their way out of using her (100 years have passed since the Flood of Light, reincarnations in name only, the aforementioned passing of the torch story focusing entirely on the character receiving the torch, etc...).

I don't think I'll ever not be bitter about that, lol. I suppose it's a bit hypocritical of me to want them to hit the undo button on that one—I'm over here advocating that they hit the redo button on the Exarch's death, after all.

She gives indications of being tempered, that are clearer in e.g. the French version. I suspect a point of differentiation in how Hydaelyn/Zodiark temper, compared to other primals, may lie in that point regarding the rendering of the soul in an umbral state. I believe it's possible they simply don't do that, and just proceed with the elemental/energy binding to establish an affinity to them. I know a lot of people attach a connotation of enslavement to the concept, but honestly we don't have the full picture yet, so I think it's best not to hold to the assumption that it always involves that. The civilisation that birthed primals may have had more sophisticated designs for how to summon them that affect such aspects.

[Ceridwenae]

If they were going to do that the most optimal moment probably would’ve been either with Emet or Elidibus, it’s something i had actually been hoping for but guess they’re not interested in that :/(your last point i mean)

I'm woolly on this, really. I don't mean a literal death. No one else pays my sub! But a lateral one is up for grabs, for sure. Perhaps a mostly dead. But yes, probably not what they're aiming for (bleh). I'm really just being cheeky with the Dawn (Father-but-I'm-a-mother)/Azim/Azem thing, just stretching for angles is all.

Spoiler for Guild Wars 2, of all things:

Happened in Guild Wars 2, mind. Your main char died a death because stupid happened, and had to get out of a bad place and back to life. Strings were pulled, cards were played. I was a necromancer anyway, it was all in good fun. Frankly, my only quibble was not being able to Raise Self. I'm not opposed to it happening anywhere else.

Eh, not really fussed, no ponies in the race. What will be will be and I'll probably end up buying something from the Mog Station.

Or they're telling me in a roundabout way Emet's back for my WoL. I'm good with that. It's probably not that.

[KizuyaKatogami]

I'm woolly on this, really. I don't mean a literal death. No one else pays my sub! But a lateral one is up for grabs, for sure. Perhaps a mostly dead. But yes, probably not what they're aiming for (bleh). I'm really just being cheeky with the Dawn (Father-but-I'm-a-mother)/Azim/Azem thing, just stretching for angles is all.

Spoiler for Guild Wars 2, of all things:

Happened in Guild Wars 2, mind. Your main char died a death because stupid happened, and had to get out of a bad place and back to life. Strings were pulled, cards were played. I was a necromancer anyway, it was all in good fun. Frankly, my only quibble was not being able to Raise Self. I'm not opposed to it happening anywhere else.

Eh, not really fussed, no ponies in the race. What will be will be and I'll probably end up buying something from the Mog Station.

Or they're telling me in a roundabout way Emet's back for my WoL. I'm good with that. It's probably not that.

Yeah my whole idea was maybe either emet or elidibus would yank our soul out and we’d get a 1 on 1 finally with Zodiark but alas it didn’t happen :c

[Kesey]

Yeah my whole idea was maybe either emet or elidibus would yank our soul out and we’d get a 1 on 1 finally with Zodiark but alas it didn’t happen :c

I won't deny that Emet or Elidibus had plans for the WOL, but it was pretty clear that weren't looking for you have your soul yanked out. They also would have scoffed at the idea that the WOL would fight Zodiark, as they see Zodiark as a literal god above men.

[KizuyaKatogami]

I won't deny that Emet or Elidibus had plans for the WOL, but it was pretty clear that weren't looking for you have your soul yanked out. They also would have scoffed at the idea that the WOL would fight Zodiark, as they see Zodiark as a literal god above men.

I didn’t mean 1 on 1 as in...we fight him. I meant 1 on 1 as in finally have a conversation with him lol. I think it could’ve been a potential plot point, especially given the whole Azem thing. 5.3 was just rushed and changed so who knows what could’ve happened :/

[Kesey]

Yes but Alisaie herself got shoved to the side after that. She semi absent in il mheg,absent in raktika, and absent for a majority of the return to amh araeng. We don’t get to see any of the actual impact until the patches where she returns to halric and even then it’s meh.

The scions are an ensemble cast. You can't have every character in the forefront of the story (other than the player character/WOL) all the time.

[KizuyaKatogami]

The scions are an ensemble cast. You can't have every character in the forefront of the story (other than the player character/WOL) all the time.

Right, but at that point it was really only development for thancred and ryne. Urianger had none, Yshtola’s was solely raktika, alphy’s solely kholusia. It just felt really dry.

[Slatersev]

NGL, reading this thread talk about lack of Major Character Death's in SHB while re watching the scene where Minfilia finally passed on for good gave me whiplash.

The Scions original leader actually did die for real and pass on in Shadowbringers, feels weird that people seem to forget that sometimes.

Maybe that just shows how much more invested people ended up in Ryne compared to the original.

[KizuyaKatogami]

NGL, reading this thread talk about lack of Major Character Death's in SHB while re watching the scene where Minfilia finally passed on for good gave me whiplash.

The Scions original leader actually did die for real and pass on in Shadowbringers, feels weird that people seem to forget that sometimes.

Maybe that just shows how much more invested people ended up in Ryne compared to the original.

I think it’s moreso the fact she hasn’t really been around since HW. You could argue she was dead the moment she became “word of the mother”. The ShB scene was just the final nail in the coffin. Idk if the talk is moreso about character deaths than it is people just asking for consequences for the main cast.