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  1. #30671
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    Quote Originally Posted by Darkmoonrise View Post
    But I think that, a no dance partner or an ice mage, even after pointing the point out, fall in this category.
    This isnt WoW so this toxic behavior doesnt fly and attempts to influence others playstyle is thankfully reportable

    Quote Originally Posted by Artemiz View Post
    but if you perform in group content to such a poor standard people are going to call it out.
    Not when that specific person's individual's performance matters little in the content they were doing since the group will still easily destroy the encounter, but hey, maybe they ll be half a minute slower which is literally the worst thing that can happen to some people apparently

    Quote Originally Posted by Artemiz View Post
    The reason I use terms like "behavior" is because I'm trained and qualified in instruction and it's the technical term
    Countless people have suffered and even died throughout this species entire history under people who told themselves they knew what was "correct" and were confident in it, many times telling themselves they were doing it for the "greater good", that they were "qualified" and they were "helping" while in reality all they did was enforce their limited close minded world view on people who were merely "different" because their brains were incapable to letting go of that desperate need to feel in control by telling themselves they knew what was right and wrong, this of course meant suffering for anyone who didnt fit these people's definition of "correct behavior".

    The fact that you believe there is something as specific as "correct & incorrect behavior" in a video game no less makes it clear what type of person you are so like I said i feel for the people under you.

    Quote Originally Posted by Artemiz View Post
    In my place of work as you seem to be so interested, I am the authority and I take the blame if something goes wrong. In just about any job that isn't the arts there is always a procedure or as you like to put it, a right and wrong way. I work in engineering and the amount of procedure would blow your mind.
    I am quite familiar with company policy and procedures and know full well what often happens in bigger companies where higher ups get too comfortable and lazy in their posts since they "know what is right" since actually bothering to improve or fix policy or procedure issues is too much work, its already good, you are too invested in the current form, too expensive to evaluate and what if weird regulations affect that fix, so let the employees suffer through an often stupid, inflexible and ineffective policies and procedures.

    Quote Originally Posted by Artemiz View Post
    In the game it's not about authority
    If you honestly knew that then you would know exactly why people become defensive and feel uncomfortable in such situations and choose to ignore people who dont know how to communicate with them, but call it "poor attitude" when that person literally asked to be left alone, but yeah, do keep calling it "confrontational" lol
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    The tryhard elitist is the person who is going to finish their 5 pieces on this created to be beaten """"challenge"""" and then complaint that the baby, slower or less dexterous person are a problem which not only is toxic but indirectly implies that doing this basic created to be beaten task faster is an """achievement""" of """great skill""" which helps to falsely boost the elitist's self worth as that is their true motive, if challenge was truly their desire they would relish in the chance to do more than the rest.
    The healthy person on the other hand will either let people finish their part or assist them for their self worth does not depend on solving basic puzzles created to be beaten, aka as a video game.

  2. #30672
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    My dear lord! How dare you define what is toxic and what is not! The very fact that you use term like "toxic" implies you are the authority on what is toxic and what isnt
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  3. #30673
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ralph2449 View Post
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    *Ralph's trolling skill reduces by 2.90*

    Talk about lack of effort and poor behavior, I am disappointed with this effort, I mean breaking Godwin's law so soon, really?! With a little more effort you can do so much better, I believe in you buddy!
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    Scary part is many in FFXIV think this way. Do not worry content is easy does not matter how you play be it ice mage, melee only rdm, not doing positionals, spamming only physic at level 50+ etc. . . I have seen people defend a lot of wonky shit in this game, under the guise we can still clear the content.

    Not wrong, but not my jam so I often just leave.
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  5. #30675
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    Quote Originally Posted by Artemiz View Post
    Godwin's law so soon
    Because clearly no other people in the history of this planet have done what i described, my fault then, I know most people are ignorant but I forget many are to this degree still about subjects like these... And you have the audacity to tell yourself you know what is correct and incorrect behavior sigh...
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    The tryhard elitist is the person who is going to finish their 5 pieces on this created to be beaten """"challenge"""" and then complaint that the baby, slower or less dexterous person are a problem which not only is toxic but indirectly implies that doing this basic created to be beaten task faster is an """achievement""" of """great skill""" which helps to falsely boost the elitist's self worth as that is their true motive, if challenge was truly their desire they would relish in the chance to do more than the rest.
    The healthy person on the other hand will either let people finish their part or assist them for their self worth does not depend on solving basic puzzles created to be beaten, aka as a video game.

  6. #30676
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ralph2449 View Post
    Because clearly no other people in the history of this planet have done what i described, my fault then, I know most people are ignorant but I forget many are to this degree still about subjects like these... And you have the audacity to tell yourself you know what is correct and incorrect behavior sigh...
    I R a PLD main! your ad hominem and strawman arguments will bounce of my shield like flies off a windscreen!. I'm trying not to be too elitist here Ralphy but if you don't raise your game a bit we might never be besties after all!.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Awha View Post
    Scary part is many in FFXIV think this way. Do not worry content is easy does not matter how you play be it ice mage, melee only rdm, not doing positionals, spamming only physic at level 50+ etc. . . I have seen people defend a lot of wonky shit in this game, under the guise we can still clear the content.

    Not wrong, but not my jam so I often just leave.
    Reminds me of the topic that was posted not too long ago about the SAM positionals, and how they can be ignored because it's only an extra 5 points on the job gauge. Doing positionals might not be that significant for most content, but doing them takes no time at all, and doesn't mess with anything. Sure, missing one here or there won't hurt, but I prefer to do them so that I can keep using my kit(though I admit I don't use ALL the kit, mostly just Meikyo Shisui, but that's something I'm working on)
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  8. #30678
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    Quote Originally Posted by Avatre View Post
    Reminds me of the topic that was posted not too long ago about the SAM positionals, and how they can be ignored because it's only an extra 5 points on the job gauge. Doing positionals might not be that significant for most content, but doing them takes no time at all, and doesn't mess with anything. Sure, missing one here or there won't hurt, but I prefer to do them so that I can keep using my kit(though I admit I don't use ALL the kit, mostly just Meikyo Shisui, but that's something I'm working on)
    And absolutely nobody complained about you preferring to do that, that is your CHOICE.

    The problem comes when tryhards try to force their choices on others instead of letting them choose themselves.
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    The tryhard elitist is the person who is going to finish their 5 pieces on this created to be beaten """"challenge"""" and then complaint that the baby, slower or less dexterous person are a problem which not only is toxic but indirectly implies that doing this basic created to be beaten task faster is an """achievement""" of """great skill""" which helps to falsely boost the elitist's self worth as that is their true motive, if challenge was truly their desire they would relish in the chance to do more than the rest.
    The healthy person on the other hand will either let people finish their part or assist them for their self worth does not depend on solving basic puzzles created to be beaten, aka as a video game.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ralph2449 View Post
    And absolutely nobody complained about you preferring to do that, that is your CHOICE.

    The problem comes when tryhards try to force their choices on others instead of letting them choose themselves.
    And even though you are a troll, I will state this:

    Not using your full kit will only hinder you, and cause you to be thrown from duties in the future due to difference in play style(which has been confirmed, by GMs, as a VALID reason to kick someone from a duty). Refusal to do positionals can definitely fall under the same category, so proceed at your own risk doing what you do.
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  10. #30680
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    Quote Originally Posted by Avatre View Post
    Not using your full kit will only hinder you
    Guess for people whose self worth depends on video game performance any kind of hindrance is a nightmare, god forbid you are not ultra l33t optimal D:


    Quote Originally Posted by Avatre View Post
    Refusal to do positionals can definitely fall under the same category, so proceed at your own risk doing what you do.
    Oh please do try kicking someone for that reason and let's see what happens.
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    The tryhard elitist is the person who is going to finish their 5 pieces on this created to be beaten """"challenge"""" and then complaint that the baby, slower or less dexterous person are a problem which not only is toxic but indirectly implies that doing this basic created to be beaten task faster is an """achievement""" of """great skill""" which helps to falsely boost the elitist's self worth as that is their true motive, if challenge was truly their desire they would relish in the chance to do more than the rest.
    The healthy person on the other hand will either let people finish their part or assist them for their self worth does not depend on solving basic puzzles created to be beaten, aka as a video game.

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