Why is the Maturity Lvl of People Playing this game so much higher than that of WoW?

[Kyrj]

Honestly it really isn't. The only reason you think people are much nicer in this game is because SE holds a gun to their head telling them to be nice. Can guarantee if you're messing up left and right in a dungeon or 8man, the other people in your party are telling their FC about it. I'd much rather have someone say it to my face than talk to the FC behind me like we're in high school.

[KeshLives]

people from world of warcraft ARE NEVER MATURE they are incapable of this as every single wow player is immature and arrogant

Hmm. Pot, you need to meet Kettle. Might be instructive.

(You sound exactly like those same immature WoW players you're griping about.)

Have a nice day.

[Raelsar]

rule 1 of GD:

Given enough time, every thread turns into elite vs. casual.

First linked this in another thread, but it does have some relevance to this discussion.

First off, "the chart":

Source: https://quanticfoundry.com/2015/12/2...g-motivations/

Now, the three "high-level" groups:

• Action-Social (red group)
• Mastery-Achievement (blue group)
• Immersion-Creativity (yellow group)

And to quickly summarize, "Mastery-Achievement" is the "game-space"; it's the activities outlined by the game itself and all directly associated elements. All the other groups interact in this particular area... and if we want to get technical, "hardcore" players should belong to this group as they're the ones who get the most into the granular details of the game itself.

But the casual-hardcore divide we commonly see is NOT linked to this group.

To tell the truth, it's more of a misnomer. The "casual-hardcore divide" is more closely related to the other two groups, or to be more specific, why they are both interacting in the "game-space". Those who are specifically interested in the game details purely for the sake of doing so are a bit rare.

Lacking space here, but:
"Action-Social" corresponds to the "hardcore" crowd.
"Immersion-Creativity" corresponds to the "casual" crowd.

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Moving away from the discussion over the divide, WoW and FFXIV actually frame a distinct separation between the "Action-Social" and "Immersion-Creativity" groups.

WoW caters to the "Action-Social" group, especially with how the game has evolved. Considering Blizzard's forte outside of WoW is competitive online games (RTS games beforehand, other genres now), this is probably unsurprising. However, due to the game being the "breakout hit" for the MMORPG genre, it attracted all groups -- including a large contingent of the "Immersion-Creativity" group, who were mostly interested in getting immersed into the world itself. But over the years, they've increasingly neglected this group.

FFXIV caters to the "Immersion-Creativity" group, and for good reason -- this is the "traditional RPG crowd", doubly so when it comes to JRPGs. While they do have a bit for the "Action-Social" group with high difficulty content, the game is clearly not built around it like WoW now is.

In any case, because "competition" is a strong factor for the Action-Social group... proper behaviour and politeness aren't always a priority. Unless it serves a specific purpose for them, they won't bother with it. On the other hand, the Immersion-Creativity group tend to enjoy quiet and solitary activities; they're naturally more polite and courteous, possibly because that's how they want to be treated themselves and will extend the same behaviour to others.

[Colt47]

Honestly it really isn't. The only reason you think people are much nicer in this game is because SE holds a gun to their head telling them to be nice. Can guarantee if you're messing up left and right in a dungeon or 8man, the other people in your party are telling their FC about it. I'd much rather have someone say it to my face than talk to the FC behind me like we're in high school.

Not necessarily. Every group is different and some care more about the results than others, but at the end of the day most of us longer running mmoers have already realized that everyone is a screw up, so therefore no one is. You can't judge someone by their performance in a few weeks of content. You have to judge them based on their performance over an extended period of time and what they are doing to correct or improve. If someone isn't correcting or improving because they have time issues or they just got life getting in the way, and it is putting the group behind, you pull them aside and you talk to them to figure out the solution. What do you think is going to be the benefit of slandering them? Tell me how it feels later in life when you realize the guy you bad mouthed is physically disabled, or had an accident and is trying his best to perform, not wanting to say anything because he is embarassed to do so. Sit back, talk it out, and come up with a solution.

[Kyrj]

Not necessarily. Every group is different and some care more about the results than others, but at the end of the day most of us longer running mmoers have already realized that everyone is a screw up, so therefore no one is. You can't judge someone by their performance in a few weeks of content. You have to judge them based on their performance over an extended period of time and what they are doing to correct or improve. If someone isn't correcting or improving because they have time issues or they just got life getting in the way, and it is putting the group behind, you pull them aside and you talk to them to figure out the solution. What do you think is going to be the benefit of slandering them? Tell me how it feels later in life when you realize the guy you bad mouthed is physically disabled, or had an accident and is trying his best to perform, not wanting to say anything because he is embarassed to do so. Sit back, talk it out, and come up with a solution.

None of what you just said had anything to do with what I did.

[kidalutz]

It's not , I mean generally yes people are politer and alot less selfish but it does have it's share of some of the self centered elements that wow had some may be from wow others form other mmos but the fact remains that they do exist. However the reporting and reward system I feel is the largest reason. the reports here are taken seriously and both parties are eventually listened too and then there is the reward for polite behavior in the form of future mounts . eventually being alot more polite and patient just becomes the norm.

[SassyAssassin]

Just met some wow players the mood was completely off. Arrogant and full of drama. Wish they all stay in wow.

[IsshinAshina]

With a sample size large enough, monkey can type out hamlet. This game starts out to be one of the best community ever, with time passing, things are guaranteed to happen. It's not the game, or the community's fault. We are all in this together.

[Ralph2449]

Honestly it really isn't. The only reason you think people are much nicer in this game is because SE holds a gun to their head telling them to be nice.

I mean does it matter? This has produced a better environment, people arent asking if people are more mature internally, they are talking about the external image the community has and that is one that is far better, friendly and nicer than WoW which is quite the opposite and full of toxicity in all levels of play.

If western Gamers TM need a gun to their head in order to behave, that sounds like they are the problem that needs to be fixed.

Just met some wow players the mood was completely off. Arrogant and full of drama. Wish they all stay in wow.

I doubt the more tryhard elitist refugees will stay long once they realize doing high end content doesnt make them special, better or more deserving of dev resources since the game is made for all, not just them unlike WoW who pretty much doubled down on focusing on high end more than usual on their latest xpac. Doing high end content doesnt mean you are more important than everyone else here thankfully.

[Anhra]

Acting mature, is something only a child would do.