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  1. #41
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    Quote Originally Posted by Keramory View Post
    I'm not reaching at all. The premise of your complaint is the idea of grinding... in an MMO. Spoilers, it's all grinding. If the argument was it was unnecessarily long or difficult grinding, that'd be one thing. But it's not. Capping mettle is very quick and easy. If you cannot stomach something in sideways content that can be completed so quickly, simply don't do it.
    That's like me complaining that mogstation items are too expensive then saying "well you're paying a sub aren't you!?". You're hardcore reaching.

    Plus you're assuming people grind for gil for crafted armor. There's static members who craft stuff for the non crafters. Can you do that with DRS? No.
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  2. #42
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    If you get to rank 15 in Bozja you already exceed that goal.

    Basically DR isn't part of the savage/ex trial/ultimate general loot progression. It's the endgame (currently) of Bozja content. So you have to reach the end of it.

    If you're rank 15 you either already have that much mettle or you gain it fast enough it shouldn't take too long to get back up.
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  3. #43
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    Quote Originally Posted by MPK View Post
    That's like me complaining that mogstation items are too expensive then saying "well you're paying a sub aren't you!?". You're hardcore reaching.

    Plus you're assuming people grind for gil for crafted armor. There's static members who craft stuff for the non crafters. Can you do that with DRS? No.
    Let me get the idea here. you want to get into a fight without zero grind and preparation done by yourself basically? (since you said you prefer buying everything with gil or mooch onto other crafters to craft you gear).

    news to you:
    1. leveling every job is an accomplishment in the game.
    2. leveling every crafter and gearing them, etc. is an accomplishment
    3. getting a relic weapon is an accomplishment
    4. getting gold saucer mounts is an accomplishment
    5. doing "kill x mount, do this x amount of time" achievements are an accomplishment
    6. getting pvp mounts is an accomplishment
    7. gettin primal mounts is an accomplishment

    do i need to say more? all of this things above is a GRIND. So by the same logic, we shouldn't grind for the above too am i right?
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  4. #44
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    Quote Originally Posted by PerrinTaveren View Post
    Let me get the idea here. you want to get into a fight without zero grind and preparation done by yourself basically? (since you said you prefer buying everything with gil or mooch onto other crafters to craft you gear).

    news to you:
    1. leveling every job is an accomplishment in the game.
    2. leveling every crafter and gearing them, etc. is an accomplishment
    3. getting a relic weapon is an accomplishment
    4. getting gold saucer mounts is an accomplishment
    5. doing "kill x mount, do this x amount of time" achievements are an accomplishment
    6. getting pvp mounts is an accomplishment
    7. gettin primal mounts is an accomplishment

    do i need to say more? all of this things above is a GRIND. So by the same logic, we shouldn't grind for the above too am i right?
    Dude you are reaching so hard right now that you're going beyond off topic it's not even funny.

    Let me just spell it out for you:

    Grindy Content = Casual stuff
    Hard Content = Raider stufff

    Putting raider stuff behind a casual content just to increase the numbers of people doing casual contents = pathetic.

    You can argue that Ultimate requires you to grind BiS, but that's raider content that's walled behind raider content.

    You can say that clearing story mode is a grind, but that's quick and easy. Bozja takes like 12hs+ of mindless grind (casual stuff) to get to mettle cap
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    Last edited by MPK; 03-13-2021 at 10:23 AM.

  5. #45
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    DR Savage is first and foremost, Bozja content. With Bozja mechanics and lost actions etc and benefits from gear specific to Bozja's reward structure. Is it really a surprise you have to finish Bozja to get to the end of its content? It's not part of the raider loot reward structure like savage/ultimate.

    If you had to complete Bozja to say, do Eden Savage or an Ultimate fight that would be bad. But this is more Bozja related content.
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    Last edited by Bright-Flower; 03-13-2021 at 07:29 AM.

  6. #46
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    Quote Originally Posted by MPK View Post
    Dude you are reaching so hard right now that you're going beyond off topic it's not even funny.

    Let me just spell it out for you:

    Grindy Content = Casual stuff
    Hard Content = Raider stufff

    Putting raider stuff behind a casual content just to increase the numbers of people doing casual contents = pathetic.

    You can argue that Ultimate requires you to grind BiS, but raider content that's walled behind raider content.

    You can say that clearing story mode is a grind, but that's quick and easy. Bozja takes like 12hs+ of mindless grind (casual stuff) to get to mettle cap
    I don't even know why you care what it is locked behind. If you're going to take issue with anything, take issue with the fact it requires 48 people and you cannot go with less. At least that is a genuine issue. Stop complaining that you actually have to do content. Lmao

    Also, stop succumbing to these dodgy notions regarding casual content and hard content and the players therein. Enough players have done and will have done Bozja even if they didn't lock your precious content behind it, be it those that do 'hard' content, or those that do 'casual' content.
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    Last edited by Kaurhz; 03-13-2021 at 07:43 AM.

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    I feel like I'm watching the Goalpost Olympics.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheMightyMollusk View Post
    I feel like I'm watching the Goalpost Olympics.
    I just keep wondering why everyone continues to argue with this person.
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  9. #49
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    Quote Originally Posted by Arillyn View Post
    I just keep wondering why everyone continues to argue with this person.
    Because you don't get to see the sequel of the mental gymnastics that are sure to ensue otherwise.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kaurhz View Post
    Because you don't get to see the sequel of the mental gymnastics that are sure to ensue otherwise.
    Okay, fair enough lolz
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