Why is the Maturity Lvl of People Playing this game so much higher than that of WoW?

[Kaurhz]

Just wait until you're more exposed to those areas of the community where you're more likely to encounter immature or childish behavior.

[MagiusNecros]

Depends on server and guilds. In both WoW and FFXIV especially in home cities like Stormwind/Limsa Lominsa the maturity levels are rather low. Some groups are younger some groups are older some are more casual and some are primarily raid based, well organized to almost robotic efficiency.

[Raelsar]

It's something that you have to play both games to see the difference in, and it's significantly more pronounced on the "casual" end of the spectrum. For the more dedicated and hardcore players who participate in higher difficulty content, it evens out quite a bit. But there's a difference in how each community evolves with this particular shift: the WoW community starts behaving BETTER once you find a dedicated group, while the FFXIV community gets a fair bit more touchy.

Casual players actively avoid group content in WoW simply because they're liable to be chewed out for the slightest mistake or even not performing well enough... on the lowest difficulty setting, regardless of the run being a success or not. That game has cultivated and fostered a hyper-competitive community that bleeds into all levels of group content, likely not aided by the fact several "premier" players act like jerks at the drop of a hat; it's quite normal and even expected for players to behave in a rude manner. There's also a strong expectation for players to self-educate, and those who want to learn by playing the game itself are often looked upon with outright disdain.

Conversely, the FFXIV is far nicer and welcoming to new players and more often than not will help them out; probably the one thing I've seen is that wipes don't devolve into shouting and people leaving en masse like they always seem to in WoW. While some are quick to point out the harsher moderation of the community, it actually isn't that bad provided you don't act like a jerk. If you're coming from a hyper-competitive and abrasive community like WoW, it's likely you'll attract a lot of negative attention if you behave the same way many do in that game; I think this is where a lot of the claims of "passive aggressive behaviour" come from, players from less well-behaved communities finding out the hard way they need some manners around here. If there's one thing I've noticed about the FFXIV community, they can be merciless towards those they perceive as "jerks"; but so long as you don't cross that line, they're quite friendly. An interesting detail for long-time players... FFXIV's community more closely resembles that of WoW than it's earlier years (Vanilla through WotLK) than WoW itself right now, which is mostly a sign of how much it has changed over the years.

Anyhow, to summarize it simply:

WoW is anti-newbie.
FFXIV is anti-jerk.

[Jojoya]

Both communities have their share of good and bad. Here you usually don't see the bad come out until you're doing end game content.

When I first began playing the game, almost a month ago now, I joined an FC. Someone sent me a join request and I accepted it. I was soured from guilds in WoW having been in quite a few. There was always at least one member who was such a jerk I had difficulty tolerating him. In my FC every single member is courteous, polite, friendly, considerate, and never vulgar. I thought I had just been very lucky. But, as with all FC's I people leave and new ones are constantly being invited. Still no jerks.

There's a word you've repeated a few times in that paragraph - jerk.

For years, the GMs, Customer Service Reps and Community Managers in WoW would publicly state there are no rules against being a jerk. I don't know if that's still their standard response (I haven't played since end of Legion) but it wouldn't surprise me if it was. You could be a jerk all you want and Blizzard didn't care as long as you weren't breaking the rules that were published.

Here, there are rules about being a jerk. It doesn't stop anyone from being a jerk but they're a lot more likely to keep that nature in check if they want to keep playing the game.

[Themarvin]

In FFXIV, we report people that are toxic or illegally vote kick people from dungeons, and the GM's take it serious, also... SE does not tolerate toxic behaviour, and any kind of vile behaviour towards other players, given that there is no reason to be like that, is taken serious.

We like a better and more flexible gameplay in general.

Also, it is really not worth going ballistic over, if a dungeon takes 2-5minutes longer than what it usually do, would ask questions myself if have a doubt or suggest in how to do things, to make each run a bit faster.

[Penthea]

FFXIV has just as much drama and meanspirited people as WoW, it just doesn't always pop up in the same places. Different games attract different people and different games have different problems.

However I will say that FFXIV seems to be much friendlier to newbies than WoW. I was quite shocked about this when I first started playing FFXIV. Certainly in FFXIV dungeons players are more patient. But I think this is very much due to how FFXIV has a huge variety of casual content and isn't as raid-centric as WoW. Because high-end pve content is the only really good content in WoW it breeds players who expect a lot from their peers, even in lower lvl content. Most of the drama I see in FFXIV is very social based, which is not surprising from a game with a lot of casual content. Another issue in FFXIV is the friction between rp and non rp players is much higher than in WoW.

Neither community is completely better or worse than the other. It depends on what you prefer from your gaming experience.

[ReynTime]

"Please move to the far edges if you have stormcloud and away from the other marked player"
*wipes again*
"Alright, again, marked players move far apart"
*wipes again*
"<insert character name> please stop following the marked player"
^ Not the exact 1:1 scenario but just one of a bunch I've seen happening in duties, and I GUARANTEE some XIV players think the person calling out the character was being a "jerk".

What someone considers "jerk" behavior varies, a lot. In this game there are a lot of people who feel super offended if their mistakes are called out, because heaven forbid 3+ players don't want to spend 50% more time in a boss just because a player flat out ignores instructions, advices or mechanics over and over. When you're in group content, YOU'RE the one being rude if you think there's nothing wrong with "not taking advice because you didn't ask" but you keep being entirely or partially responsible for wipes or dragging the experience way down. But I guarantee most will say that's not right.

If WoW is super toxic XIV is the extreme opposite to a fault too. It's like everyone is wearing fake happy faces and have to either risk threading through a mine field when trying to talk to players or just stay silent even if the duty has turned into a punishment they never deserved in the first place.

I think I read someone say this best. WoW has a toxic hardcore culture. XIV has a toxic casual culture.

[ZedxKayn]

In FFXIV, we report people that are toxic or illegally vote kick people from dungeons, and the GM's take it serious, also... SE does not tolerate toxic behaviour, and any kind of vile behaviour towards other players, given that there is no reason to be like that, is taken serious.

We like a better and more flexible gameplay in general.

Also, it is really not worth going ballistic over, if a dungeon takes 2-5minutes longer than what it usually do, would ask questions myself if have a doubt or suggest in how to do things, to make each run a bit faster.

You can't report passive-aggressive toxicity and that's what the bad part of the community specializes in. If you have a party of enabler, you're gonna have to punish yourself by either leaving or carrying someone unpleasant and it's incredibly frustrating.

[SturmChurro]

You can't report passive-aggressive toxicity and that's what the bad part of the community specializes in. If you have a party of enabler, you're gonna have to punish yourself by either leaving or carrying someone unpleasant and it's incredibly frustrating.

Yes, it seems that way. Like players can freely grief - as long as they don't admit to it in chat. Heck, a lot of time what happens is, players grief, and the player calling out the person griefing gets reported!

[Seoulstar]

Just go to any of the healer dpsing threads and you will see that people can be awfully immature about the topic. That destroyed my perception that this is the most mature community I have ever been part of..I am sure there are many other things, but that is first one that comes to mind.