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    Dzian's Avatar
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    Scarlett Dzian
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    Sargatanas
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    Bard Lv 76
    Quote Originally Posted by Valkyrie_Lenneth View Post
    Each missed positional is a 64 potency loss (1/5th of a shinten). It adds up.
    True but its still insignificant on Samurai. (See math above).. missing a positional on a samurai loses less than 0.5% of your dps.

    It's roughly the same for Ninja (again see math above) and apparently also Dragoon to. Haven't touched drg since 1.0 so i persoma;;y have no idea about that job.

    But a 0.5% loss is virtually impossible to notice in any actual fight even if you parsed and tested 100 times. Because of the margin for error relating to rng crits direct hits latency, server ticks and other factors..

    This again is why so many people think positionals generally suck. It's an illusion of depth that has no measurable effect. And should generally just be scrapped at this point.
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    Last edited by Dzian; 03-09-2021 at 03:57 AM.

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    lolicon09's Avatar
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    Chisato Nishikigi
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    Balmung
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    Paladin Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Dzian View Post
    True but its still insignificant on Samurai. (See math above).. missing a positional on a samurai loses less than 0.5% of your dps.

    It's roughly the same for Ninja (again see math above) and apparently also Dragoon to. Haven't touched drg since 1.0 so i persoma;;y have no idea about that job.

    But a 0.5% loss is virtually impossible to notice in any actual fight even if you parsed and tested 100 times. Because of the margin for error relating to rng crits direct hits latency, server ticks and other factors..

    This again is why so many people think positionals generally suck. It's an illusion of depth that has no measurable effect. And should generally just be scrapped at this point.

    The problem with making the difference between using/ignoring positionals actually significant is that people will then complain about how unfair it is. Personally, i like them and i hope they never remove them
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    Nothv13's Avatar
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    Einulfr Nothson
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    Cactuar
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    Lancer Lv 88
    Quote Originally Posted by lolicon09 View Post
    The problem with making the difference between using/ignoring positionals actually significant is that people will then complain about how unfair it is. Personally, i like them and i hope they never remove them
    So stick the positionals on the class built around them and ditch the rest
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    Iruma Ceceyigen
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    Cactuar
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    Samurai Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by Nothv13 View Post
    So stick the positionals on the class built around them and ditch the rest
    Or make the positionals stronger and ignore people who want pretty much every melee outside of Monk to treat bosses like fancy DPS test dummies. Balancing any game around people who don't want to put in any effort is a bad idea in every conceivable way.
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    Einulfr Nothson
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    Quote Originally Posted by IruruCece View Post
    Or make the positionals stronger and ignore people who want pretty much every melee outside of Monk to treat bosses like fancy DPS test dummies. Balancing any game around people who don't want to put in any effort is a bad idea in every conceivable way.
    Sure, but we know they won't do that as that is the exact opposite of what they've been doing.
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