toxic tank end game?

[Nokk]

so im newer to this game, came from Elder scrolls online ( one of the most toxic games ever) and im doing crystal tower, i ask who wants to MT. No one says anything so i go at it. about 30 seconds in the other two tanks start arguing and voking off me and each other wiping the group due to mob face all directions wildly. so i voke it and INSTANTLY they start calling me a shit tank (one is dead) and talking crap like no tomorrow. like really? wtf? your synced to 50, in old ass content arguing over who's a better tank. so the rest of the dungeon is more of the same and takes forever to complete. seriously wtf is the problem? why do you feel you're gaining from acting like a child in a lvl 50 dungeon where your epeen dont even matter? i love tanking, but if this how end game tanking is in this game than ive wasted my time and money. someone please tell me the end game isnt like this.

[van_arn]

The tank meta is if someone keeps pingponging hate, turn off tank stance and enjoy coasting the rest of the dungeon. You don’t even need to discuss with the other.

[SecretIsland]

I have not done anything super hard in the endgame (like Ultimate) yet but I think you just got unlucky. My few weeks in this game it seems the norm is to not talk at all. I have not seen anything like you've described when I was doing Crystal Tower so you probably just got unlucky!

[TheMightyMollusk]

That happens a lot in alliance raids. Either all three tanks want to be the big shot and they spin the boss around trying to take it from each other, or none of them want the job and the boss wanders around swatting everyone else. Which then leads to all three tanks calling each other out and the entire group getting annoyed.

Generally, if people start fighting over the boss, just let them have it. It's not worth the time arguing. Only a handful of alliance raid fights need multiple tanks anyway.

[Rein_eon_Osborne]

The tank meta is if someone keeps pingponging hate, turn off tank stance and enjoy coasting the rest of the dungeon. You don’t even need to discuss with the other.

Pretty much this, in most normal content that has more than 1 tank present.
Maybe secure a higher aggro in your party in case the main tank decides kiss the floor. Otherwise voking can quickly turn into a petty war. It's not really common, but it does happens if you get matched with interesting individuals...

Sorry to hear your experience though. If you're lucky, let their death/performance do the 'talking'.

[SwordswornFox]

If no one's called it and all three of us have Tank stance up, I'll watch how the others go after a boss. If they cut loose, I keep my aura on and just start a basic rotation to build hate and try keep the threat meter orange/yellow. If all three of us look hesitant, I'll throw everything including the kitchen sink into my opener and run with the hate. If the boss starts ping ponging/spinning, I'll drop tank stance briefly to let them take it fully and then turn it back on and get my threat into orange/yellow again.

I also try to sit just outside cleaves as much as possible so if aggro pingpong happens, the boss is spinning maybe 45-60 degrees so it doesn't wreck positionals too badly.

[Jeeqbit]

It's very rare for anything like this to happen. Instead of asking to main tank, I just turn on tank stance and pull the boss. If they take aggro from me then I just let them tank.

I never use provoke because that's fighting over aggro and is just going to annoy everyone. Just fight the boss and accept that whoever has the better gear or better rotation execution gets to hold the boss.

[LaughingBanana]

The tank meta is if someone keeps pingponging hate, turn off tank stance and enjoy coasting the rest of the dungeon. You don’t even need to discuss with the other.

Ahahaha, I agree with this. If another tank is provoking away from me, then I just let them have it and whatever *shrug*, less responsibility for me, lol.

[linayar]

The more you play, the more chance you'll see all kinds of behaviors, but somehow, things will eventually work itself out most of the time regardless, so don't be discouraged by bad experiences.

By the way... (at time of posting)

Primal:

My few weeks in this game it seems the norm is to not talk at all. I have not seen anything like you've described when I was doing Crystal Tower so you probably just got unlucky!

Aether:

That happens a lot in alliance raids.

Crystal:

It's very rare for anything like this to happen.

[Frizze]

if this how end game tanking is in this game than ive wasted my time and money. someone please tell me the end game isnt like this.

In a dungeon(outside of Prae and Castrum, which you can treat like a raid if you ever run them again), you will always be the only tank so you have nothing to worry about. In a trial or raid you can let the other guy in your group have hate if he wants it so bad. You can keep your stance on(so aggro will go to you if he dies), and just shirk the other guy a time or two. On the super-rare occasion that you get paired with a tank who insists on being MT and is also an idiot, you can wait for him to die and take over(or take over after a wipe if it comes to that) or you can just do the job better and not let him have aggro. An alliance raid is the trickiest, as these are the "hardest normal content" in the game and the other tanks arent directly in your party to make hate interactions easier. This can be treated like a regular raid(let the other guy have it, be ready to take over) though, and will often be fine. Many later alliance fights will have at least some bosses that are immune to tank BS(they cant be spun, they tank all 3 of you at once, etc), so enjoy those.

Of course, if you do any actual hard content this is basically a non-issue. In a savage group tanks are expected to determine who will take which task(determined either by skill, gear, or class), swaps are often required for mechanics, and someone who sucks and/or just wants to cause drama will usually be removed and replaced with someone better suited for the task(should the group decide to side with the problem, removing yourself to find a better group is the solution).