Fandaniel and the Depths of Ascian Tempering

[Vyrerus]

We aren't bound to the path we walk by Hydaelyn's blessing (tempering, if you want to see it as such), we're bound to it by our past incarnation. Azem of Amaurot was a hero the world over, and even sundered the PC is just one incarnation of their eternally recurring Ancient self. It's not a compulsion from Hydaelyn, it's a compulsion from the PC's very soul.

The idea we're bound to or by anything Hydaelyn's said or done falls apart if one simply remembers Ardbert attacking Minfilia when the latter was Hydaelyn's Oracle (not by name at the time, but even so).

I mean, I don't disagree that the WoL and Ardbert aren't Tempered, but then again, there is sort of a grey area for Ardbert. He'd killed himself already, and supposedly that undoes Tempering. Or at least it did at the time that cutscene was first conceived so...

[MrThinker]

I mean, I don't disagree that the WoL and Ardbert aren't Tempered, but then again, there is sort of a grey area for Ardbert. He'd killed himself already, and supposedly that undoes Tempering. Or at least it did at the time that cutscene was first conceived so...

Let's apply new knowledge in retrospect (because if the story doesnt hold then its a retcon that needs to be changed someday). With 5.4, we came to the conclusion that tempering is tied to memory. Ardbert and party may have died coming to the Source per se, but they never lost their memories. As such, if they were tempered, they should still have been tempered, even Ardbert himself, all up until the point they gave up their individual existences.

[Vyrerus]

Let's apply new knowledge in retrospect (because if the story doesnt hold then its a retcon that needs to be changed someday). With 5.4, we came to the conclusion that tempering is tied to memory. Ardbert and party may have died coming to the Source per se, but they never lost their memories. As such, if they were tempered, they should still have been tempered, even Ardbert himself, all up until the point they gave up their individual existences.

That's a fair assessment. It also kind of flags the idea that perhaps, after such an extraordinarily long time with no direct influence from the primal, Tempering might be undone assuming one could live long enough. Stares at Emet-selch and blinks