"Serious" Bard 6.0 predicted/suggested kit

[SweetPete]

I didn't like bard rotationally back in SB because it was busy but played it because I liked the support aspect, but now that that's gone it's not worth playing because the "support" is outclassed by summoner and monk.

Tell me about it. Bards support is so bad right now. I will not be happy if square says bards issue is being to busy. That’s not the issue. The issue is the support needs to match that of dancers. If not just call the job ranger and remove bard from the game. So tired of SE acting completely out of touch with players when they know bard was the support job and they stripped it in favor of dancer when it was released. Then have the nerve to say they don’t know what else to do with bard to make players happy. This is a load of mess and they know it. Give bards their support back.

[Rika007]

Then have the nerve to say they don’t know what else to do with bard to make players happy. This is a load of mess and they know it. Give bards their support back.

I on pretty much every occasion will White Knight the heck out of the dev team against anyone and everyone who says something about em. Seriously. We are blessed with the dev team on this game. But that moment, in that interview where they said they needed better feedback then just 'fix Bard', was the one time I legit stared at my screen and shook my head. There was no defending that one. All the devs would have to do is spend 10 minutes searching either here or the Japanese forum boards (don't even need to check the other FF social media places, but I know the devs to look at places like Reddit and Twitter too), and they will find PAGES of very well thought out constructive criticisms and ideas posted by Bard players who just want to see the support parts of their kit's returned. If they legit think the only feedback they got is just 'fix Bard' with no other ideas, then they were not paying attention at all, or worse are ignoring it.

[Dogempire]

Tell me about it. Bards support is so bad right now. I will not be happy if square says bards issue is being to busy. That’s not the issue. The issue is the support needs to match that of dancers. If not just call the job ranger and remove bard from the game. So tired of SE acting completely out of touch with players when they know bard was the support job and they stripped it in favor of dancer when it was released. Then have the nerve to say they don’t know what else to do with bard to make players happy. This is a load of mess and they know it. Give bards their support back.

Tbf dancer isn't even that good of a support dps, I might change my tune if ranged jobs were the only dps with raidwide mitigation skills, but many of the support aspects of dancer like Dance Partner, Tech Step, Shield Samba, and Healing Waltz don't really mean much because other jobs have similar skills (Dragoon tether, Trick Attack, Addle, Mantra) and aren't gimped for personal dps like Dancer is because of those skills.

Only reason dancer is meta is because of tech step and dance partner, but even highly optimized groups that make good use of dancer's buffs still don't do enough with it to boost it past RDM, the lowest of the non-ranged dps jobs.

SE really needs to think long and hard about how to make ranged stand out from other dps roles aside from the tired old buff damage or reduce damage taken skills, because if it wasn't for the 1% stats buff the role brought, a lot of groups would probably just not include the role entirely.

[SweetPete]

Tbf dancer isn't even that good of a support dps, I might change my tune if ranged jobs were the only dps with raidwide mitigation skills, but many of the support aspects of dancer like Dance Partner, Tech Step, Shield Samba, and Healing Waltz don't really mean much because other jobs have similar skills (Dragoon tether, Trick Attack, Addle, Mantra) and aren't gimped for personal dps like Dancer is because of those skills.

Only reason dancer is meta is because of tech step and dance partner, but even highly optimized groups that make good use of dancer's buffs still don't do enough with it to boost it past RDM, the lowest of the non-ranged dps jobs.

SE really needs to think long and hard about how to make ranged stand out from other dps roles aside from the tired old buff damage or reduce damage taken skills, because if it wasn't for the 1% stats buff the role brought, a lot of groups would probably just not include the role entirely.

Yeah you have a strong point to be honest. The ranged being the supposed support role need allot more to offer. The only ranged physical that has a heal is dancer. None of them can raise, restore mp, I mean they do nothing ground breaking. Although I love the idea behind dance partner and buffing that way. That was a good idea on SE's part. Bard though just doesn't bring anything worthwhile for support. Not to mention when 5.0 started they had stripped bard of all of its support. They only gave it back because of the backlash and it's super nerfed. I'm trying to have hope they will do bard justice in 6.0 but I just don't see it. I think they will give bards nothing but more ranger type abilities and again look past the songs as if they don't even exist. I bet dancer gets a new support dance though.