The 3-Strikes Policy - Is it really a good thing?

[Krotoan]

And there's 3 strikes for a reason, you can do something by mistake once, but if you keep repeating that mistake a month or two later then you clearly didnt learn.

A month or two later sure.. you should probably be judged on that fact. But the game has been around for 10+ years and right now you can still be 3rd striking on something you did 10 years ago. If it was for like.. swearing once or seemingly disconnecting when a dungeon was hard do you still feel that should count?

You seem reasonable. You probably have control over your temper and think before typing and talking. Some people don't though and just like we make accommodations for those who don't handle blinding speed dungeon runs we should probably make accommodations for those who run a little more hot blooded sometimes.

[Ralph2449]

A strict three-strike policy would work if they gave us clear cut rules and guidelines, but they intentionally have not to give them as much wiggle room as possible.

people who have been told by GMs that anything is bannable in the proper context

Yet there have been many more people who never had any issues, you cant really have a clear cut guideline in a game with real people because there will always be people who tip toe around that line and pretend "technically this is within the ToS" which is why GMs need a flexible position to judge the situation and stop unwanted behavior.

People simply need to adapt and learn to behave, something they might have not needed to do in any of their previous games which is why most online game chats are so bad these days to the point in WoW even popular streamers say things like 'You have to be trolling" if you play a non meta spec/class/build and I am very thankful SE has a policy against this type of "compelling a play style" attitude some people have in other games and would happily bring it here if they were allowed, thankfully they are not.

You probably have control over your temper and think before typing and talking. Some people don't though and just like we make accommodations for those who don't handle blinding speed dungeon runs we should probably make accommodations for those who run a little more hot blooded sometimes.

I can get that argument but someone could also say what about the opposite minority which would be people who get hurt by online comments, both of those groups are probably small but you can only support one in this case, this is where we get to the more grey area which either choice is understandable really, maybe it wouldnt hurt to have very specific minor cases have a 6 month expiration date(As long as nothing happens before those 6 months)

Honestly FF14 community is a breath of fresh air compared to pretty much all other popular game communities I ve played.
I dont really have this fear of saying anything because I know how to speak without being offensive, I remember it took me like 5 groups to get extreme Ramuh down and in many I would point out things like, "be careful of stacking lightning circles, they hurt", "Think you need to get 3 orbs if you get the linking lighting thing", none of those comments target or attack anyone nor they command people to do X, they very casually explain how something works without aiming anything at anyone.


Though I get the feeling SE is extra draconian in their measures specifically to send a message to the average western gamer who is far to used and accepting of insults, attacks and slur filled "banter" we sadly see in most online games these days

Knowing that fact the only way to fix this kind of normalized behavior is with draconian measures and honestly it is good that someone is actually trying to fix that.

[Haruka_R]

Edit: another note is that the swearing/profanity clause needs to be removed from the rules outright; as a lot of strikes come from swearing, when some of the NPCs are more foul mouthed than the average player. The filter is kinda worthless and doesn't even work for NPC or spoken dialogue, only player interactions.

This. Why's an NPC get to call me a Hyuran bee-ahtch, but I can't call someone or something dumb. :NotLikeThis:

[Shalan]

A month or two later sure.. you should probably be judged on that fact. But the game has been around for 10+ years and right now you can still be 3rd striking on something you did 10 years ago. If it was for like.. swearing once or seemingly disconnecting when a dungeon was hard do you still feel that should count?

You seem reasonable. You probably have control over your temper and think before typing and talking. Some people don't though and just like we make accommodations for those who don't handle blinding speed dungeon runs we should probably make accommodations for those who run a little more hot blooded sometimes.

Not just hot blooded
Growing up in a family with a long line of manual labor, and spending my entire working life in such labor as well has led me to having a more... colorful vocabulary than some other folks. While I've managed to temper that tongue in my interactions over the years, especially online, some things still slip through. It's not malicious or anything, it's just a different and rougher style of talking than what a lot of people are used to I guess.
Getting a strike on my account because I accidently let a four letter word that starts with "s" for excrement slip through was a bit of a shock when it happened a few years ago. Especially since it wasn't used in anger or an insulting manner ("Nah man, I don't like that ****").


We're in an online game where people of various cultures come together. Some of those cultures have different manners of speaking and acting. While some behavior or language is clearly unacceptable, others are so benign that a permanent strike against your account is wildly out of proportion. Especially given how much someone can change over a year, much less over the near decade this game has been in service.


I've largely managed to adapt to the policy here, but it does pain me when I see other people start to get nervous about talking in case some busy-body is nearby and ready to report. I see more and more discussions being moved off game and into programs like discord that the game itself feels silent.

[KenXSSS]

Not just hot blooded
Growing up in a family with a long line of manual labor, and spending my entire working life in such labor as well has led me to having a more... colorful vocabulary than some other folks. While I've managed to temper that tongue in my interactions over the years, especially online, some things still slip through. It's not malicious or anything, it's just a different and rougher style of talking than what a lot of people are used to I guess.
Getting a strike on my account because I accidently let a four letter word that starts with "s" for excrement slip through was a bit of a shock when it happened a few years ago. Especially since it wasn't used in anger or an insulting manner ("Nah man, I don't like that ****").


We're in an online game where people of various cultures come together. Some of those cultures have different manners of speaking and acting. While some behavior or language is clearly unacceptable, others are so benign that a permanent strike against your account is wildly out of proportion. Especially given how much someone can change over a year, much less over the near decade this game has been in service.


I've largely managed to adapt to the policy here, but it does pain me when I see other people start to get nervous about talking in case some busy-body is nearby and ready to report. I see more and more discussions being moved off game and into programs like discord that the game itself feels silent.

Yeah, I feel this, I spend 50% of my time chatting in Disc, 30% in NN and 10% in FC chat, and 10% in Forums/Reddit, in other MMOs I'm just able to chat whenever I want in-game, but here, there are long lulls of silent chat no matter which server I move to.