Roleplay/Partyfinder Discrepancies & Policy Enforcement by GM's

[JanVanding]

Forgive me if I don't believe that everyone posting concerns of children are being entirely genuine. When you're totally cool with actual innocent role-players getting thrown under the bus along with a few bad eggs, forgive me if I call bollocks on your concern for the kids. Since this whole issue has went far beyond people advertising ERP venues. People who were advertising all-ages venues and even a dude who just wanted to talk to someone while fishing all got hit... In general, I don't think it's a good idea to be cool with people who are not guilty to be punished along with people actually doing bad things.

And this is coming from someone who absolutely believes that ERP venues shouldn't public advertise.





What is the overarching problem? People using the Party Finder to meet people? 'cause as mentioned... This goes beyond ERP.

I'm of the mind now that the worst protesters are projecting at this point, they're not protecting children from a boogeyman, they need to do something "virtuous" to hide something horrible they've done themselves.

The RP community will clean itself up, these people still shouting loudly if social media has taught us anything need to be watched very carefully because let me too you this.

I would never ever let my nephews play this game without supervision from my brother or myself, they are minors and as a responsible adult and their Aunt, I'd make it my business using my knowledge of the community to ensure they are never exposed to anything they shouldn't be.

I've been stalked, harassed and had attempted grooming attempts put upon me.

Let me tell you, not one of them came from the RP community itself, they came from outside of it.

[AncientWillow]

It's pretty disturbing to see so many people label any concerns about erotic role-play as 'moral panic' and 'manufactured outrage'. There's been some pretty touching insight from victims of abusive individuals who have spoken up within this very thread and the argument that people are 'projecting' is rather bizarre.

It shouldn't be rocket science as to why a lot of people simply do not want to see advertisements in the party finder for explicit interactions between players who, in many cases, cannot guarantee that they are of legal age. A lot of people have even stated that it's one thing if such matters are out of sight and behind closed doors...yet that isn't enough for some and now they seem to want to have it be a badge of honour that they can parade around.

There are ways to make sure if you ever bern in a 18 plus thing u know with players u can make sure to the point if one slips through ita cuz they purposrly faked a id tag and name and date of birth

[DreadCrow]

A minor isn't going to wander into an RP brothel/club/venue unless they're propositioned by someone or led there; which doesn't seem to be as common as some people want to claim it is, but the thing is if someone were to do that it would happen regardless of if there are venues to facilitate it.

Eh, if a minor sees a brothel advertise of Party Finder, and are curious... They'll absolutely go and check in out. If only out of morbid curiosity. Some would even do it because they are horny. When I was a teenager, I was mostly a "good kid". But I absolutely got a hold of comic books and movies that sure as hell weren't made for my age group. And while I think a lot of people who are screaming "think of the children" are being totally disingenuous... I don't necessarily think the best argument against folks like that are counter-accusations or pretending that it's still not not at least a gray area in the TOS to advertise in game brothels in the Party Finder.

I'm a role-player. I'd RP a hell of a lot more than I do if Primal was more of a hotbed and once the whole data-center visit comes out... You can bet your gil I'm going to be doing it a hell of a lot more than I do now. And as a role-player on Primal... I can assure you that this did happen, in part because of certain brothels clogging up the party finder. It's 100% messed up that a GM didn't seem to realize there's a difference between a brothel ad a casual RP venue and that bit absolutely needs to be addressed... And 100%, SfW and even non-sexually explicit 18+ RP should get thrown under the bus with the rest. But we need to understand that there are bad eggs.

[NessaWyvern]

I'm of the mind now that the worst protesters are projecting at this point, they're not protecting children from a boogeyman, they need to do something "virtuous" to hide something horrible they've done themselves.

The RP community will clean itself up, these people still shouting loudly if social media has taught us anything need to be watched very carefully because let me too you this.

I would never ever let my nephews play this game without supervision from my brother or myself, they are minors and as a responsible adult and their Aunt, I'd make it my business using my knowledge of the community to ensure they are never exposed to anything they shouldn't be.

I've been stalked, harassed and had attempted grooming attempts put upon me.

Let me tell you, not one of them came from the RP community itself, they came from outside of it.

I've witnessed a kid get sent sexually explicit material, and it turns out she was being groomed by that person, an adult moderator on a pixelmon server, she was 14. It was disgusting, and the guy got banned for it when we found out about it.

I was abused and neglected as a kid, and I can tell you, for sure there's vulnerable kids out there desperately seeking social interaction, good or bad, with parents who don't give a fuck.

Is it so wrong that I don't want vulnerable kids exposed to this stuff?

Just because I am aware of this stuff, and don't want it happening to others, doesn't mean I am doing something "virtuous" to hide something, it's a matter of principle.

I just genuinely think that you shouldn't sent sexually explicit material to someone when you cannot know for certain that they are of age. Especially in a game where people know minors play.

[Delis]

Ya it is
Its rated for such things.. If you got a proplem with it how about instend being a **** you dont allow your miniors to play the game ****

Okay, I think you need to walk away and calm down, you are starting to get out of hand.

[AncientWillow]

Okay, I think you need to walk away and calm down, you are starting to get out of hand.

Im not im stating the truth if thry cant handle it they should get a thicker skin.

[Aniya_Estlihn]

Given all the mental gymnastics the E/RPers in the past 5 pages alone, yeah it definitely is happening. You should possibly seek therapy or turn yourself in to the police if you think it's morally justifiable to subject minors to this filth.

First off, I don't RP, I refuse to due to past experiences.

Secondly, I'm a sexual assault survivor. I was abused countless times in junior high while on campus as a minor if you THINK I think it's morally justifiable to subject minors to anything you're so far off-base that it's painful for me to read. The simple fact is as someone whose been PUT THROUGH that kind of situation, I've learned that while it IS a possibility, it's not the norm. It's so far from the norm that it hurts to think about even now.

Through years of self therapy and the support of others I've learned that not everyone is sick enough in the head to think that way and if you're accusing others of it with no justifiable reasoning then you have deep-seated mental issues that go far and beyond the literal trauma, social anxiety and real life issues I deal with to this very day due to my past experiences. I don't leave my house, I have panic attacks in grocery stores or down store aisles—I suffer daily because of the things I experienced, but thanks for mislabeling me as an immoral predator.

Your arguments are the same things that once came from the mouths of those who exploited me, so forgive me if I think you're the disgusting one and that you are projecting your own twisted fantasies—because that's the more realistic expectation here.

God forbid someone whose been through this kind of experience give a realistic outlook and viewpoint based on their own personal experiences.
Stop trolling, get help and move on in life.

You're not protecting anyone anywhere by being a keyboard warrior and acting like you have a moral high ground in a discussion that has been manufactured and veered off-topic to give you that position.

[DreadCrow]

I'm of the mind now that the worst protesters are projecting at this point, they're not protecting children from a boogeyman, they need to do something "virtuous" to hide something horrible they've done themselves.

The RP community will clean itself up, these people still shouting loudly if social media has taught us anything need to be watched very carefully because let me too you this.

I would never ever let my nephews play this game without supervision from my brother or myself, they are minors and as a responsible adult and their Aunt, I'd make it my business using my knowledge of the community to ensure they are never exposed to anything they shouldn't be.

I've been stalked, harassed and had attempted grooming attempts put upon me.

Let me tell you, not one of them came from the RP community itself, they came from outside of it.

As someone who's been part of role-play communities for a very long time... Yep. Most people are chill. There's been a handful of weird people I've met over the years, but most aren't like that. I *do* however think that maybe venues explicitly designed foor ERP shouldn't be advertised in the Party Finder... And that happened on Primal... But while I could understand that being concerning, being totally cool with everyone else being thrown under the bus suggests you care less about "the children" and more about getting those weird people playing pretend out of your hair since you think they are weirdos.

[LisSquid]

GMs already came back with a statement that things are okay, and people are getting strikes removed.



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Lot of people divulging personal info in this thread that is not appropriate to the topic at hand. Mods wanna lock this badboy down?

[EthanParcival]

It is NOT rated for "god damn sexual content", get over yourself there. Teen is rated for "suggestive themes", ie the dancer on the pole which keeps getting tossed around. Mature is sexual content, and graphic sexual content is adult. I'm sorry if YOU don't understand the difference.

Correction, scroll down to the bottom of this page and notice the ESRB label.

It does say "Sexual Themes" not "suggestive" anymore. And by the ESRB page definition of "Sexual Themes" it says they're "References to sex or sexuality". So that poledancer chick, she's not only dancing.

It also says "Online Interactions Not Rated by the ESRB". So you may think the game is rated T for teens (if you let your teens play games with sexual themes, and alcohol and tobacco use, and violence and blood) but the online interactions are NOT rated.

Thus if you were to play this game alone and offline (which can't be played offline) then sure, it is for Teens...

But the moment its online and those teens interact with other people then its not really a game for Teens anymore.

https://www.esrb.org/ratings-guide/