Roleplay/Partyfinder Discrepancies & Policy Enforcement by GM's

[Silverrr]

Can you ban the run sellers now?

if you ban run sellers then you should ban the club spammers as well

[Anslin]

So 1000 posts later we get a 2 line generic response that has answered no questions, or even if actions would be taken against the GM's brazen abuse of power? Seems legit. Can you at least offer clarification on if RP casino venues are allowed to advertise in party finder per rules, or are they considered in violation of 3.6 under prohibited policies? I am speaking of course of venues who operate only in Gil and not in RMT

[Vinupra-Rosa]

thats mostly imo because the devs dont want the rp/erp stuff to be so visible
if people start to use fellowships more for rp events and stuff people will flock to it and just use it for that

Funny, because the devs recently put in a lot of content that helps out with RP (emotes!), included an entirely new system which they stated as being of great use to RPers (paraphrased; fashion accessories), have a tag dedicated to roleplay (type /roleplaying and watch the icon beside your name turn into "RP"), and there's Yoshi-P himself just recently having made a remark about how touched he was with people RPing (ingame festivals!)

People who cry foul at ERPers often have no idea how people do it anyways. Here's a hint: it's not being done publicly, and people often go out of their way to make it -not- obvious what was going on. That's not to say 18+ RP is even strictly about ERP even; groups can age restrict for plenty other reasons as well.

Fellowships are also not viable as they are right now. It's too glacial, too out of the way, and the way they present information is atrocious to fulfil this specific need.

Regarding RP, whether E or S(afe), if it's not your cup of tea just ignore it and do something else, just like how if you want to run e12s and are not interested in e11s, you're like to ignore e11s postings. Not that there's much else in the -Other- tab anyways.

[zeopower6]

People are getting way too heated when the GM was just doing their job. I hope Wyndallus isn't too affected by this and the witch hunt that resulted. Personally, I always thought this was the result of a miscommunication considering what was going on.

So much chilling out to be done.

[Bunnykin_M]

Greetings, everyone.

Thank you for your patience while we reviewed the situation. In short, there was an internal miscommunication which led to account actions being issued incorrectly. We sincerely apologize for the concern that this has caused the community. There has not been any change to our existing policy, and we want to assure players that our focus is on taking action against inappropriate advertisements/listings.

We will work to ensure proper communication is being done within the GM team and strive to ensure quality service and operations.

Will there be clarifications as to what is an inappropriate advertisement with examples provided for the community since what has been the norm has apparently changed for at least some venue types? If there is going to be a change in enforcement, your players deserve to have clear and adequate warning as to what is no longer deemed appropriate after giving things a pass for several years.

[DreadCrow]

RPers need to move to Fellowship Finder like that GM said. Sorry, but that's where you guys belong. If an ad is up 24/7, it doesn't need to be in party finder. If it's like a flash event, fine. But the fact that there are ads for brothels and clubs 24/7 is way over the line of acceptable behavior. I don't think anyone should get banned, just get their listing removed though.

If it's an ad up 24/7, it's a problem with spam... Not with role-players using the party finder to find people to play with. And I also feel the people saying that role-players should use fellowship finders... Never actually used fellowships. If they did, they'd understand why that's not really an option. And "that's where you belong" is sort of... Well, not a very charitable thing to say.

ERP party finders? Please expound upon this, because do you mean a PF that says 18+ Venue at this place or this and that, or did it actually say....hey we're offering ERP ? Please do tell?

At least on Primal, there were ads for straight-up ERP venues. Like advertising they were ERP venues. They tagged themselves as that. It's why, initially, even I thought it was just one of the brothels whining that they got hit. It wasn't, since the GM decided to go scorched earth which is a problem.

This is a game children play. That’s how it directly affects people. ERP venues shouldn’t exist in a game children can play. Unless you reeeeeeally like lewding children?

People need to really drop that "think of the children" argument. The vast majority of people wouldn't have a problem with purely ERP venues getting banned from the party finder. The issue is it wasn't just ERP that was hit.

So 1000 posts later we get a 2 line generic response that has answered no questions, or even if actions would be taken against the GM's brazen abuse of power? Seems legit. Can you at least offer clarification on if RP casino venues are allowed to advertise in party finder per rules, or are they considered in violation of 3.6 under prohibited policies? I am speaking of course of venues who operate only in Gil and not in RMT

To be honest, I don't think it's really a case of a GM "brazenly abusing their power". I think it's a case of a GM making a pretty big mistake... But I don't think there was any malice behind it.

[Gerel]

People are getting way too heated when the GM was just doing their job. I hope Wyndallus isn't too affected by this and the witch hunt that resulted. Personally, I always thought this was the result of a miscommunication considering what was going on.

So much chilling out to be done.

I'm of two minds on this. On one hand? Yeah, they were just doing their job. Can't fault them entirely if they were acting off miscommunication/misinterpretation. But on the other? It's important for players to be vocal about these kind of issues, especially because of the strike system in place being fairly severe. Discontent needs to be known so that those who were unfairly hit with one can get it removed 'cause that thing follows you forever otherwise.

I'd say that everybody should cool off a little, yeah. But they should still be just as persistent in getting information on whether or not those strikes are getting removed.

[Anslin]

If it's an ad up 24/7, it's a problem with spam... Not with role-players using the party finder to find people to play with. And I also feel the people saying that role-players should use fellowship finders... Never actually used fellowships. If they did, they'd understand why that's not really an option. And "that's where you belong" is sort of... Well, not a very charitable thing to say.




At least on Primal, there were ads for straight-up ERP venues. Like advertising they were ERP venues. They tagged themselves as that. It's why, initially, even I thought it was just one of the brothels whining that they got hit. It wasn't, since the GM decided to go scorched earth which is a problem.



People need to really drop that "think of the children" argument. The vast majority of people wouldn't have a problem with purely ERP venues getting banned from the party finder. The issue is it wasn't just ERP that was hit.



To be honest, I don't think it's really a case of a GM "brazenly abusing their power". I think it's a case of a GM making a pretty big mistake... But I don't think there was any malice behind it.

Did they not use their power to punish people who did nothing wrong? That is what an abuse of power is my dear.

[DreadCrow]

People are getting way too heated when the GM was just doing their job. I hope Wyndallus isn't too affected by this and the witch hunt that resulted. Personally, I always thought this was the result of a miscommunication considering what was going on.

So much chilling out to be done.

The GM was doing their job... But they sort of went a little heavy handed. When the developers of the game flat-out say they create things for role-players and consider it a form of content... I feels like there's at least a misunderstanding. And going heavy handed is a thing that should be addressed. I don't think they should be fired or anything... Just told they went a bit overboard.

[Saefinn]

I would hope so, since Yoshida himself stated that sort of venue is unacceptable.

I think the important points to take from it are:

Within that user agreement is a clause that prohibits any unacceptable conduct to this end, including behavior that infringes upon laws. Any players who violate those rules will be punished by banning or other penalties

Because Final Fantasy XIV is a worldwide game, there is the potential for players from many different regions to interact with one another, and we have legal support available to assist us in investigations to this end in many countries.

My take from it is don't break the law. Cases will be investigated and in the case you violate this, you will be banned or have action taken against your account. Don't break the law and don't be an accomplice in breaking the law. In this case, yes, a brothel can be risky in that you don't know who is attending. But the point is they investigate based on your country, hence the comment about legal support in many countries.

This is a contrast to his comments on mods (especially pornographic ones) & third party tools, which was "don't do it".

If he found it "unacceptable" I think it would be a more blanketed ban. Or heck, a clause in the ToS against obscenity. It sounds more like the acknowledgment it's illegal in some parts of the world and that people need to be found to be within the constraints of the law, which is perfectly reasonable, folks shouldn't be breaking the law.