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    Jojoya Joya
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    Quote Originally Posted by Krotoan View Post
    I'm still very upset that when people asked for something different the devs just took everything I hated from FF11 and made it an instance I have to do to get my relic... then they did it again and put a fate nobody wants to do in the middle of it.
    But people will go ahead and do the content, and that tells SE they enjoy that content enough so the game should make more of it.

    When did SE take notice with Eureka? When people stopped doing Pagos despite leaving that relic step incomplete.

    If people stopped doing content they hate for the sake of a reward they're going to toss in a closet and forget as soon as the next new shiny is released, developers might have an easier time of figuring out what content players want them to be making. They're still going to experiment with adding in other content to see how players react but there will end up being more of what players know they enjoy.
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    Krotoan Argaviel
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jojoya View Post
    But people will go ahead and do the content, and that tells SE they enjoy that content enough so the game should make more of it.

    When did SE take notice with Eureka? When people stopped doing Pagos despite leaving that relic step incomplete.

    If people stopped doing content they hate for the sake of a reward they're going to toss in a closet and forget as soon as the next new shiny is released, developers might have an easier time of figuring out what content players want them to be making. They're still going to experiment with adding in other content to see how players react but there will end up being more of what players know they enjoy.


    Asking people in a progression game to stop and hope that everyone else also stops to convey a message is a pretty hopeless optimist approach. People will willingly slog through unpleasant things to get what they want.
    The part that hurt the most was people actually considered the part where we were forced to socialize as the content was so repetitive and boring (to the point I actually got carpal tunnel flare up because I did my rotation so much) as a PLUS. Like we love that the content is so mind numbing that the players stuck in the zone resorted to IRC level chatting to pass the time.


    If they need it said, I'll say it again: Just because people are doing content, doesn't mean it's good. At best it means you locked something people want behind it. Remove the carrot and see who keeps playing it "for fun".

    I left FF11 because of the death punishments, party reliance, and stress of traversing the overworld (and because at the time race/job combos mattered and I'd picked one nobody wanted). As you might guess, I wasn't thrilled to see that follow me into this game.
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    WHERE IS THIS KETTLE EVERYONE KEEPS INTRODUCING ME TO?

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    Aurelie Moonsong
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    Quote Originally Posted by Krotoan View Post
    If they need it said, I'll say it again: Just because people are doing content, doesn't mean it's good. At best it means you locked something people want behind it. Remove the carrot and see who keeps playing it "for fun".
    This. Any "innovative" side content in this game involves locking highly desirable unique rewards behind it, letting players go at it desperately (whether they enjoy it or not) then calling it a success based on participation numbers.

    I just feel like there need to be more routes of acquiring things. Let me choose whether to acquire the new hairstyle by RNG or poetics or crafting or PVP. Maybe some people will like Bozja enough to earn all their universal tokens that way. Maybe nobody will touch it and the dev team can conclude that they should try something else and not do another field zone.
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