Quote Originally Posted by Kaurhz View Post
Sure if your intention is to cheese strat it then that's an entirely different story but how about doing that at Level 50, and on every single encounter for a good 11 minutes straight versus at Lv60 with 4 people at +120 above the Item Level cap for the game at the time. Or even executing the mechanics in the way that the developers intended for you to do so, a completely different story then. My point still stands that mechanically these fights were quite easily a cut above normal mode, and as I said, Extreme/Savage, so somewhere between, but I guess this largely comes down to subjectivity than anything. In normal mode, I can queue up and be done within 1-3 wipes at most on any given Eden encounter. Comparatively, coils, even T5 back when I did it nearing the end of ARR was mostly party disbands with people not baiting Divebombs appropriately, nor handling Dreadnaughts, or avoiding Twisters/overlapping them. To a degree, the same reigns true even today with a lot of PF parties on Blue Mage. It took quite a while for people to stop getting divebombed into the wall, see the Twister cast and move around, or burst down dreadnaughts before they decided to wreck people.
This is very true, though my point was that they're not really above current savage content when the option to severely cheese them exists.
All I was trying to convey is that many of them are only challenging if you let them be.