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    Quote Originally Posted by hydralus View Post
    I already said that 90% of a healer's actions in the game are attacking. But it's a very creatively bankrupt position to take that the act of healing cannot be visually exciting. WhiteArchemage listed a few scenarios where it could definitely work. Saving your comrades from the brink of death with a flurry of spells could be very inspirational. Heals, after all, aren't just 'a glow'. There's a gushing water-shield, fairy dust covering the field, freakin' aether wings shooting out the user's back, fields of water mending wounds while you stand in them. You could have a field of soldiers with their limbs disintegrated recovering completely from their wounds. Hell, Redo of Healer managed to make a healer with exciting combat and that's shoddy hentai garbage. I'd think one of the greatest animation studios in the entire world could make healing look exciting by comparison. But considering derplander hasn't touched any casting classes they're just going with the 'Tanking/melee classes are the manly ones'. Him starting off as an archer must've been a fluke or something.
    A Black Mage can safe their comrades with a flurry of spells and more likely than not the spells will be more visually interesting and not involve blood or dismemberments. A field of soldiers with disintegrated limbs would be too graphic for FFXIV's rating. For animation, all they could really do with a T rating is show characters in pain, get hit with a glow spell, and not be hurt anymore. It's not something that can be very dynamic in animation.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Edax View Post
    A Black Mage can safe their comrades with a flurry of spells and more likely than not the spells will be more visually interesting and not involve blood or dismemberments. A field of soldiers with disintegrated limbs would be too graphic for FFXIV's rating. For animation, all they could really do with a T rating is show characters in pain, get hit with a glow spell, and not be hurt anymore. It's not something that can be very dynamic in animation.
    T-rating can show blood and more violence. Hell the Heavensward trailer has someone getting his freaking arm cut off. Besides, you don't even have to show their limbs for the cinematic. Just hide it with clever angles/armor and only show them growing back. Or you should have the WoL getting hit hard by enemy fire and healing themselves to reach someone who's been injured like a badass determined field medic. And I'm just a nobody sitting at a computer chair. Surely these professionals with dozens of years in the industry could manage.

    Besides it wasn't even about the actual healing (even though it could and has worked. Just because WoW hasn't done it doesn't mean it can't be done). Just a healing class. Alphinaud is in the very same cinematic as a healing job and it's plenty exciting. So there's really nothing stopping them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by hydralus View Post
    T-rating can show blood and more violence. Hell the Heavensward trailer has someone getting his freaking arm cut off. Besides, you don't even have to show their limbs for the cinematic. Just hide it with clever angles/armor and only show them growing back. Or you should have the WoL getting hit hard by enemy fire and healing themselves to reach someone who's been injured like a badass determined field medic. And I'm just a nobody sitting at a computer chair. Surely these professionals with dozens of years in the industry could manage.

    Besides it wasn't even about the actual healing (even though it could and has worked. Just because WoW hasn't done it doesn't mean it can't be done). Just a healing class. Alphinaud is in the very same cinematic as a healing job and it's plenty exciting. So there's really nothing stopping them.
    Blood and violence alone was enough to give the first Halo game an M rating and I don't even consider Halo to be all that intended for adults.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Edax View Post
    Blood and violence alone was enough to give the first Halo game an M rating and I don't even consider Halo to be all that intended for adults.
    So I guess you're just gonna ignore everything else, including how they had a guy getting an arm chopped off in a cinematic yet it turned out fine for their rating? Like that's not me taking a different game and saying "It should work here". It's already been in this game. The same with them making a healer part of the cinematic and part of the action.
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    Quote Originally Posted by hydralus View Post
    So I guess you're just gonna ignore everything else, including how they had a guy getting an arm chopped off in a cinematic yet it turned out fine for their rating? Like that's not me taking a different game and saying "It should work here". It's already been in this game. The same with them making a healer part of the cinematic and part of the action.
    That arm getting chopped off wasn't graphic and it would be difficult to show a healer healing that wound without obscuring it, which sort of defeats the point of advertising the healer if you have to obscure the advertisement. If you show the healer smashing things up, that also defeats the point of advertising a healer because healers' aren't great at that sort of thing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by WhiteArchmage View Post
    It could still be done in a visually satisying way, although one that requires derplander to actually be in a more "support/caretaker" role.
    Sure it can be done. And it is epic. But how often can you do this before it becomes boring?

    https://youtu.be/39j5v8jlndM?t=233

    Plus this not that epic one...

    https://youtu.be/39j5v8jlndM?t=125
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    Quote Originally Posted by Edax View Post
    That arm getting chopped off wasn't graphic and it would be difficult to show a healer healing that wound without obscuring it, which sort of defeats the point of advertising the healer if you have to obscure the advertisement. If you show the healer smashing things up, that also defeats the point of advertising a healer because healers' aren't great at that sort of thing.
    I already said they can use angles to obscure it in my example. Man you're so freaking stubborn I'm just gonna give up. You win. I wasted my time on you.
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    Quote Originally Posted by hydralus View Post
    I already said they can use angles to obscure it in my example.
    Which is why I discussed the problems with obscuring it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Edax View Post
    Which is why I discussed the problems with obscuring it.
    You obscure the gore, not the healing. Have them have a glowing aether arm for a second before it reforms their arm like regeneration would. It's just so freaking tiring to try to explain to an uncreative person how things can work. And healers are fantastic at smashing things up. About as good at it as a tank, anyway. And the WoL has played several tanks.
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    Quote Originally Posted by hydralus View Post
    But it's a very creatively bankrupt position to take
    Quote Originally Posted by hydralus View Post
    You obscure the gore, not the healing. Have them have a glowing aether arm for a second before it reforms their arm like regeneration would. It's just so freaking tiring to try to explain to an uncreative person how things can work..
    I'm getting a little tired of your insults. You call me uncreative yet your suggestion completely forgets the fact that Raubahn lost his arm and it stayed lost.
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