Gil stolen through market board

[Penthea]

There's been a recurring tactic of insinuating I'm somehow also breaking the rules the last few pages and I'm not sure what the goal of that is necessarily.

To put a stop to ridiculous mental gymnastics like this:

Actually it's impossible for two people to mean the same thing with the same word.

Many think you're potentially breaking the rules because you're engaging in the sort of arguments people make when they know that they're doing something they shouldn't be. Trying to distort the meanings of words to spin their questionable deeds as okay is a classic tactic these people use.

Scare me into not posting because the mob will somehow ban me?

You're the one digging this hole, others are just pointing it out.

[Jijifli]

There's been a recurring tactic of insinuating I'm somehow also breaking the rules the last few pages and I'm not sure what the goal of that is necessarily. Scare me into not posting because the mob will somehow ban me? Not on your life, not to mention not how account moderation even works. The only thing that'll stop me from posting is boredom with the subject, or the post limit timer. Maybe your inability to stop me frustrates you but like... I don't really care, that doesn't have anything to do with me. You gotta learn to let go.

I think that it's both indicative of a failure to read the thread, as well as a failure to make a persuasive or consistent case that autoclickers are meaningfully different as a method of systemic circumvention compared to any others, including non-software based solutions. There's been essentially no effort to grapple with this except one accidental post agreeing with me but angrily as though the poster was still trying to argue. It's probably also a failure to consider cause and effect in terms of real world outcomes when you consider OP's account state (again, active, every post that insinuates they're going to ban me as though users can even do that fails to recall this at a bare minimum).

Except people have repeatedly told you what the difference is. Over and over. A person clicking it themselves to buy it is there. A person using a program to buy it is not there. One has to make an investment, the other doesn't. This doesn't also take into account that if a person is "oh just too busy" to spend any amount of time at all trying for the house, then it might come as a shocker that they probably won't have time to use the house either,.

But yes, the OP's account state is the hilarity of what I've been trying to also tell people for a very long time, that Square doesn't give a care about you cheating so long as it's not an account doing a chargeback, or as long as the account is not Japanese (A reminder the entire 3 people of the task force are Japanese, on Japanese data centers).

[Mavrias]

There's been a recurring tactic of insinuating I'm somehow also breaking the rules the last few pages and I'm not sure what the goal of that is necessarily. Scare me into not posting because the mob will somehow ban me? Not on your life, not to mention not how account moderation even works. The only thing that'll stop me from posting is boredom with the subject, or the post limit timer. Maybe your inability to stop me frustrates you but like... I don't really care, that doesn't have anything to do with me. You gotta learn to let go.

I think that it's both indicative of a failure to read the thread, as well as a failure to make a persuasive or consistent case that autoclickers are meaningfully different as a method of systemic circumvention compared to any others, including non-software based solutions. There's been essentially no effort to grapple with this except one accidental post agreeing with me but angrily as though the poster was still trying to argue. It's probably also a failure to consider cause and effect in terms of real world outcomes when you consider OP's account state (again, active, every post that insinuates they're going to ban me as though users can even do that fails to recall this at a bare minimum).

I really don't know why this has gone on so long. auto clickers are against terms of service, end of. so are parsers and mods but plenty if people still use them. so thats whatever.

but if you're going to use an auto clicker you shouldn't be complaining that you auto clicked your money out of your pockets because you couldn't be bothered to watch what it was doing. probably should just eat the L, instead of drawing attention to it.

[TurtlesAWD]

To put a stop to ridiculous mental gymnastics like this:



Many think you're potentially breaking the rules because you're engaging in the sort of arguments people make when they know that they're doing something they shouldn't be. Trying to distort the meanings of words to spin their questionable deeds as okay is a classic tactic these people use.



You're the one digging this hole, others are just pointing it out.

I'd say I've been remained consistently on point with my stated position that the use of non-invasive tools are clearly no more and no less of a systemic circumvention than clicking for hours manually or automating via hardware, and my use of language to represent that, but I understand that reading comprehension is not everyone's strong point so if there's anything I can help clarify feel free to ask!

[Penthea]

I'd say I've been remained consistently on point with my stated position that the use of non-invasive tools are clearly no more and no less of a systemic circumvention than clicking for hours manually or automating via hardware, and my use of language to represent that, but I understand that reading comprehension is not everyone's strong point so if there's anything I can help clarify feel free to ask!

The use of autoclickers can be invasive because they can very directly negatively impact other players around you. If you're using it to interact with a placard you can do it far more efficiently than a manually clicking player ever could. Because an auto-clicker doesn't have bodily needs such as sleep or needing to go to the toilet the autoclicker can get the house while manual clickers have no choice but to go afk for their own health.

This is not the same as something like a parser. Knowing what your dps is doesn't give you the chance to get loot more than anyone else in your team. There isn't a limited amount of times a boss can be killed so even if your team gets a kill sooner because a parser aided them in improving, this has zero impact on the loot other teams can get. Mods are usually client side so unless you say something players around you won't even know you're using the mod because the server cannot transfer mod information to other players when it is strictly client side.

Using third party software is against the ToS and being caught can result in a ban, but SE turn a blind eye to some because if used responsibly they can't negatively impact other players and often other players won't even know you're using them unless you actually -say- you are. If you're using an auto-clicker you are deliberately trying to snipe loot from other players by having something else play the game for you. So not only is this botting, it is a specific type of botting that can directly negatively impact those around you who are following the rules because you're all competing for one asset that is in a limited quantity.

Never mind how if the house is bought while you're afk letting the auto-clicker do its thing, it becomes very obvious super fast to those around your character that it is being controlled by a bot due to it not behaving like a human player would, which would be to discontinue to try to purchase a plot when it has already been bought. Which means you don't even have to say something for players to figure out that you're using third party software, unlike something like a parser or a mod that makes the game look prettier.

[TurtlesAWD]

I really don't know why this has gone on so long. auto clickers are against terms of service, end of. so are parsers and mods but plenty if people still use them. so thats whatever.

but if you're going to use an auto clicker you shouldn't be complaining that you auto clicked your money out of your pockets because you couldn't be bothered to watch what it was doing. probably should just eat the L, instead of drawing attention to it.

Lol, it's like OP stopped looking at this thread long ago because they're too busy playing their unbanned account so you're using me as a surrogate. Truly a rejection of reality on so many levels. Astounding.

[MilkieTea]

TurtlesAWD is gross as HECK for using disabled people as a crutch for their argument. They're not an argument.

[BloodRubyXII]

big brain-sama.

[Saefinn]

I'd say I've been remained consistently on point with my stated position that the use of non-invasive tools are clearly no more and no less of a systemic circumvention than clicking for hours manually or automating via hardware, and my use of language to represent that, but I understand that reading comprehension is not everyone's strong point so if there's anything I can help clarify feel free to ask!

It's actually pretty easy.

Taking from ToS:
2.1 Cheating and Botting. You may not create or use any unauthorized cheats, bots, automation software, hacks, mods or any other unauthorized software or hardware designed to modify the Game and gameplay. In addition, you may not take advantage of game system bugs and exploits during gameplay.

1) Is a clicker program authorised third party software?
No. Unless you can point somewhere the team has authorised its use.
2) Is it an exploit?
Yes. You're exploiting the fact you can simulate user input and that the game is unable to differentiate between a real controller input or a real mouse & keyboard input from simulated ones. This exploit gives an unfair advantage of other players.

I'd say '3' alters gameplay because gameplay is about a user interacts with the game, but I feel that leaves you too much room to play semantics.

[Styrmwyda]

It does not matter if it is "justified" or not, auto clickers are against the TOS, so don't do it.