Alliance raids have no business being a relic step.

[Kaurhz]

They've taken what could have been a fun and interesting relic grind, and used it to punish us for wanting to get a halfways decent weapon. "Oh, you want to get the relic? Go do the 9 worst pieces of content after the ones we brought forward from 1.0. Oh, and you're gonna need to do each of them 15 times, because we have no interest in actually creating something fun, we just want new players to be able to do content that has no relevant rewards, and that you've proven that you hate already by never queuing for the heavy-handed rewards we stuffed into the alliance raid roulette, because we cannot and will not admit that Alliance Raids are something that we've proven time and again are well beyond the capabilities of our underpaid, overworked designers."

Like making Bozja more viable so that I can inevitably go into Bozja and enjoy what a reasonable person could perceive to just be Eureka all over again? No thanks

Bit of Napkin maths, but the sum reward for doing all relics would net me around ((17*15)*100)+((18*2)*100)=29100 Poetics, not inclusive of any bonus I may get. That is enough to get me through an Anima weapon and then some. Sounds good to me!

As someone who voluntarily rolls into CT raids on a regular basis because it's how you finish the ARR light steps in the least stressful manner (I personally don't enjoy running Tamtara over and over and over again....) lol naw.

Can't you solo unsync Garuda Extreme though? Takes like 70 seconds, and grants around 1/3 the light comparative to the ARR Alliance Raids, no?

[Arkevorkhat]

Like making Bozja more viable so that I can inevitably go into Bozja and enjoy what a reasonable person could perceive to just be Eureka all over again? No thanks

Yeah, but what if, hear me out here: the time and effort investments were comparable, so people had the choice of which content they want to do.
I agree that Bozja shouldn't be the definitive way to get the relic, that'd be hypocritical of me, what with all the railing against alliance raids being the definitive way to get the relics. I would want to see it be a case of "You can spend 6 hours grinding Alliance Raids, or you could spend 6 hours in Bozja, and get the same reward." I don't think it should be fast, or easy, Relic gear has always been a top-tier bragging piece, and it's really unreasonable to say that one should be able to complete a relic in an afternoon, but this bullshit of 15% drop rates from Critical Engagements really makes it so that there's no incentive for anyone to do their grind in Bozja, which then has the add-on effect of making it harder to fill a castrum instance (this has of course improved with this morning's hotfix, but it is still somewhat of an issue.)
I get that people have strong opinions about Eureka, and I get that Bozja is getting a lot of second-hand hate for it, but Square Enix really isn't helping that problem by diverting people who would otherwise be in Bozja, helping new players and giving the content a chance at life, to Alliance raids that have struggled to hold onto relevance now that their stories have concluded and their gear drops aren't effective.

[Kaurhz]

Yeah, but what if, hear me out here: the time and effort investments were comparable, so people had the choice of which content they want to do. I agree that Bozja shouldn't be the definitive way to get the relic, that'd be hypocritical of me, what with all the railing against alliance raids being the definitive way to get the relics. I would want to see it be a case of "You can spend 6 hours grinding Alliance Raids, or you could spend 6 hours in Bozja, and get the same reward."

I hear you...

But, to be fair, with the Hotfix it would be just as effective to run Castrum Lacus Litore, granting 5 Loathsome per run, 3 runs per step. You can even do this whilst progressing other steps of the relic due to being able to get the previous steps' memories from within Bozja, and not only that but you can get EXP on other jobs, so you can level those, and arguably make a good piece of Gil. Whilst being insane enough to completely cap my alt within Bozja, I naturally got all the FATE memories inside of Bozja, so that was completed naturally, even managed to snag a nice 18M Gil from the endeavor, and arguably now you could even do Castrum whilst doing it; which would arguably naturally complete the relic up-to and inclusive of the i510 stage.

Bozja works out significantly more efficient if you have multiple goals/stages of the relic to be completed, versus just tunnel visioning.

[Arkevorkhat]

I hear you...

But, to be fair, with the Hotfix it would be just as effective to run Castrum Lacus Litore, granting 5 Loathsome per run, 3 runs per step. You can even do this whilst progressing other steps of the relic due to being able to get the previous steps' memories from within Bozja, and not only that but you can get EXP on other jobs, so you can level those, and arguably make a good piece of Gil. Whilst being insane enough to completely cap my alt within Bozja, I naturally got all the FATE memories inside of Bozja, so that was completed naturally, even managed to snag a nice 18M Gil from the endeavor, and arguably now you could even do Castrum whilst doing it; which would arguably naturally complete the relic up-to and inclusive.

Bozja works out significantly more efficient if you have multiple goals/stages of the relic to be completed, versus just tunnel visioning.

I had three stages of my relic going at the same time, the Law's Order upgrade for my Talekeeper Recollection, the Augmentation for my Samsara, and the Vexatious/Harrowing once-per-character step before I can augment my Law's Order Revolver, and even then, I was only getting any significant progress on Samsara, because Castrum had fired immediately before I had joined the instance.

[technole]

You haven't been in this game since 2.0 then if you are complaining about this.

Relics are YoshiP's way for end-game level players to help fund old content for newer players. Trials, alliances, dungeons, fates, skirmishes, bojza...the list goes on and on.

[Arkevorkhat]

You haven't been in this game since 2.0 then if you are complaining about this.

Relics are YoshiP's way for end-game level players to help fund old content for newer players. Trials, alliances, dungeons, fates, skirmishes, bojza...the list goes on and on.

No, I haven't been in this game since 2.0, and if I had, I would have quit already, the FF14 dev team clearly doesn't think before they act, and besides, the previous 2 relics didn't have any old content (eureka weapons) or minimal one-time investment in old content (Anima weapons.) And the ARR relics didn't have any old content associated with them because there *was* no old content for them to use, only current content.
The Resistance Weapons are the first time in modern FF14 that have required almost exclusively content from previous expansions. (the only current content that is an intended manner for progression, defined as having reasonably high drop rates (north of 50%) for the progression item, is the most recent step of running 15 (!!!) Delubrum Reginae)