Male Viera as a playable character! show your support

[SpiralMask]

Why do you want male Viera so that they can be neglected with updates too? It goes against the lore, as it would be silly to see a bunch of male Viera dressed in modern clothes, unable to wear hats afk in Limsa Lominsa standing near each other, when they're supposed to be territorial.

How about we get more support for the current Viera, and Hrothgar for more customization and able to wear hats or at least a wider selection of faces and hairstyles.

playable male miqote also "go against the lore" becuase they're supposed to be too busy boning tons of ladies or fighting each other to have time for adventuring (or being their mothers' or wives' pets in the case of mooncats) and yet here we are, and there are plenty of possible reasons why male viera might be found outside of their forests/mountains that they'd normally be so strict about defending--a real easy one being that there is a continent-spanning insurrection and civil war going on, and who knows how much collateral damage would be involved with all of the fighting (especially when the legion commanders decide to go rogue, like with gabranth). being displaced by the war is literally how we got hrothgar and viera already, and with as notably territorial as male vieras are noted in the lore, if a swathe of their forest was reduced to ash by garlean fire i doubt they'd just pile in more densely into whatever forest's left afterwards (or that there wouldnt be any viera bent on revenge if that happened)

hell, an easier one could be that there was just a baby boom and now there's just too many males for a given patch of forest or other and ended up being left in the lurch. or with ivalice's viera having been thrust into the wider world, some were possessed by wanderlust or general curiosity, or feel that perhaps protecting the wood might be better served actively by dealing with the threat of the garleans/whatever fresh tempering-tower shenanigans fanny dantom is up to rather than passively waiting for them to tresspass/harm the forest first--or the wood (which is a semi-sentient force at least in ff12 that directly communicates with viera) straight up told them "hey, the entire world is gonna burn down forests included if this stuff isnt dealt with"

[SoloWingMetatron]

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I think it's worth mentioning specifically to those against male Viera due to "lore" need to remember that in said lore there is only one Warrior of Light. Yes in game we see many players milling about who are all the Warrior of Light. However as far as the actual lore and story goes there is currently only one Warrior of Light. They are truly unique to the world. A very special exemption that Hydaelyn herself created to be her champion. The Warrior of Light is by far the rarest and most unique exception within the games lore and as such it is very plausible for Hydaelyn to have chosen a male Viera to receive her blessing that leads him to where he would be in the story when said gender becomes available.

To claim "lore reasons" for the reason to be against the inclusion of missing genders is simply a fallacy. A one that lacks any kind of legitimate logic or reasoning. "Lore" is not quantifiable. "Lore" is meaningless. An argument for or against the inclusion of a particular element in a game has to be something that can be reasoned out via quantifiable measures in order for it to actually have any weight behind it. For example a valid reason why the missing genders may never be included is because the devs don't think it's something worth investing time and resources into. Time and resources being the quantifiable components here.

[SpiralMask]

I think it's worth mentioning specifically to those against male Viera due to "lore" need to remember that in said lore there is only one Warrior of Light. Yes in game we see many players milling about who are all the Warrior of Light. However as far as the actual lore and story goes there is currently only one Warrior of Light. They are truly unique to the world. A very special exemption that Hydaelyn herself created to be her champion. The Warrior of Light is by far the rarest and most unique exception within the games lore and as such it is very plausible for Hydaelyn to have chosen a male Viera to receive her blessing that leads him to where he would be in the story when said gender becomes available.

To claim "lore reasons" for the reason to be against the inclusion of missing genders is simply a fallacy. A one that lacks any kind of legitimate logic or reasoning. "Lore" is not quantifiable. "Lore" is meaningless. An argument for or against the inclusion of a particular element in a game has to be something that can be reasoned out via quantifiable measures in order for it to actually have any weight behind it. For example a valid reason why the missing genders may never be included is because the devs don't think it's something worth investing time and resources into. Time and resources being the quantifiable components here.

if you want some meaningless lore, look no further than astrologian! almost all of it's class quest lore is a straight up lie at this point (the incredibly in-depth descriptions and reasonings for the cards and their effects, their intermingling with time-related spells, choosing between the different sects, etc etc). it makes me indescribably sad to see the class be thrice-lobotomized at this point, but it's a great example.

[SoloWingMetatron]

if you want some meaningless lore, look no further than astrologian! almost all of it's class quest lore is a straight up lie at this point (the incredibly in-depth descriptions and reasonings for the cards and their effects, their intermingling with time-related spells, choosing between the different sects, etc etc). it makes me indescribably sad to see the class be thrice-lobotomized at this point, but it's a great example.

Agree with you 100%!

AST used to be my favourite healer class. But it has been butchered this expansion. Just further reinforces the fact that gameplay and content will always trump lore. Lore is ambiguous and doesn't mean a damn thing when it can be ignored or altered at the drop of a hat.

[WhiteArchmage]

Why do you want male Viera so that they can be neglected with updates too? It goes against the lore,

No it doesn't.

as it would be silly to see a bunch of male Viera dressed in modern clothes, unable to wear hats afk in Limsa Lominsa standing near each other, when they're supposed to be territorial.

As "silly" as it does seeing Duskwights in modern clothing afking in Gridania. Or any race/gender combo in the Yokai mounts. Or having two non-padjali White Mages in one party. Or a whole host of catboys since they're even rarer than male Viera... and Mooncats are also heavily territorial. Other PCs don't exist. As far as the game is concerned, other PCs are Midlander GLD Male Hyurs.

How about we get more support for the current Viera, and Hrothgar for more customization and able to wear hats or at least a wider selection of faces and hairstyles.

We can do both.

if you want some meaningless lore, look no further than astrologian! almost all of it's class quest lore is a straight up lie at this point (the incredibly in-depth descriptions and reasonings for the cards and their effects, their intermingling with time-related spells, choosing between the different sects, etc etc). it makes me indescribably sad to see the class be thrice-lobotomized at this point, but it's a great example.

Ah, poor AST. Some great Lore behind it, now relegated to flavour text that directly contradicts its butchered gameplay. Also, lovely turbans and veils that I can't wear.

[SpiralMask]

Agree with you 100%!

AST used to be my favourite healer class. But it has been butchered this expansion. Just further reinforces the fact that gameplay and content will always trump lore. Lore is ambiguous and doesn't mean a damn thing when it can be ignored or altered at the drop of a hat.

hell, we had a fundamental aspect (heh) of the entire setting changed in a casual conversation 4 expansions in, when urianger just up and said "oh yeah turns out we had light and dark backwards so literally all of the source's aetherological theory is flawed (except for BLM, which ironically got it right albeit for a different reason), aint that a trip"

[Arngrim_Greyashe]

Even if this is an echo chamber, something must be really loud for it to create an echo as big as this one, so it only makes sense to assume the demand is incredibly high. Considering this is the biggest ffxiv thread in history, there is literally 0 doubts that from what we can gather, male viera and female hrotgar respectively are the two most requested features for the game ever, and if we compare the negative posts, that are usually done by the same 6 or so people and get a max of 17 likes at the higest to the first post in the thread which isnt far from 2k likes, it leaves 0 room for doubt that it is indeed a minority who dosent want male viera, while most players remain either supportive or silent. Its up to the devs to see what they do with this information, but it is simply not realistic to say that it isnt in incredibly high demand, regardless of wether it will be released and catered to or not

You're really stretching with this one, but that's about on point. When you have a thread with the same 15 people posting on it every day, then it gets the appearance of "biggest thread", sure. In perspective of the actual player base, this thread is the minority. It's not necessarily in "incredibly high demand", it's just a thread that's had repeat arguments and conversations with the same 10 to 15 people for the past two years.

[Ultaniku]

There are a large number of people who will come in here and throw their voices in for the desire for the genders but don’t necessarily stay to participate in the debates in the thread. Doesn’t mean their voices don’t count even in the people involved in the arguments and debates are the majority.

[SturmChurro]

You're really stretching with this one, but that's about on point. When you have a thread with the same 15 people posting on it every day, then it gets the appearance of "biggest thread", sure. In perspective of the actual player base, this thread is the minority. It's not necessarily in "incredibly high demand", it's just a thread that's had repeat arguments and conversations with the same 10 to 15 people for the past two years.

I do actually think male viera is in high demand. It would be a fairly popular, I think. The thread itself though is pretty much a chat for the regulars (I am one of them). If this thread was just unique supporters alone, without the repeated arguments over and over, it'd be.. quite a bit smaller. More like the female hrothgar thread, before it got turned into male viera 5.0 (where it seems I am a regular as well now).

[zeylos]

You're really stretching with this one, but that's about on point. When you have a thread with the same 15 people posting on it every day, then it gets the appearance of "biggest thread", sure. In perspective of the actual player base, this thread is the minority. It's not necessarily in "incredibly high demand", it's just a thread that's had repeat arguments and conversations with the same 10 to 15 people for the past two years.

The fact is that regardless of how many people posts, considering its extrememly unlikely more than, what 5-10% of the playerbase from NA/EU (if that) visit the forums regurarly, it wouldn't be 'stretching' to assume a majority of players would not be opposed to it going by what we see on the forums, specialyl considering I higly doubt 15 people can make enough alt accounts to give 2k likes to a post, considering no thread ever has had nearly as many likes (correct me if im wrong) and its basically very apparently the most requested feature, wether you agree with it/like it/wish for them to be added/think tis likely etc, it is in no doubt in incredibly high demand and SE is the only one who knows wether we'll get them, how, why, when theyll be announced or if we'll get them at all, this thread and its 'pointless' discussions serve only to remind SE of the high demand and that players havent stop wanting their inclusion