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  1. #71
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    ArcaneCarbuncle's Avatar
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    Saine Lotice
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    Quote Originally Posted by linayar View Post
    Oh, I wouldn't want that. I want Demi to act like they do now. Having giant, permanent pets out is not fun, and resizing is no fun either.
    I woulnd't want that either, which is my entire point.
    However I also wouldn't want to spend the majority of my time having absolutely no summons present, as I feel that would be a disservice to the Job.
    Which is why the current status quo works well for me.

    Quote Originally Posted by linayar View Post
    The fact that there are exceptions means it's not unrealistic. Unlikely would be a more appropriate term.
    Fair, though one has to consider that making new models for basically anything is incredibly taxing (which is why Egi-Glams are taking so long), and I don't think they'd be willing to work on multiple new Demis just for one single rework, so I still feel "unrealistic" applies well enough.

    Quote Originally Posted by linayar View Post
    Then there should be no change ever. Someone can always like something that is taken away every time there is a change.
    Changing something and taking something away aren't the same thing.
    That said, this is more about not cutting an entire concept out of the game at the expense of those that enjoy it.

    Quote Originally Posted by linayar View Post
    A job rework should never be just for the sake of it, and I disagree that reworking SMN to use temporary demi instead of permanent pet falls in that category.
    Then we'll have to agree to disagree, because as far as I am concerned, unless theres an actual need for such a big change it absolutely is "just for the sake of it".
    And I believe I've already made clear I don't consider such a change neccessary.

    Quote Originally Posted by linayar View Post
    I thought SMN was too busy at the beginning of Shadowbringers and I wouldn't want a return to that.
    Which is something I've never suggested?
    Again, Egi-"Auto Attacks" would work just as Demi-AAs do, the Summoner uses a GCD and the pet uses it as a que to add theirs. No further input needed.
    Egi-Assaults wouldn't change from their current iteration either, it'd simply change how the Abilities are targeted to make their execution more reliable; same for Enkindle.
    Gameplay effectively wouldn't change outside of smoothing out some of the current technical hickups.
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    Last edited by ArcaneCarbuncle; 08-23-2020 at 08:38 AM.

  2. #72
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    OvernightSiren's Avatar
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    Terros Lior
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    4k views and no comment from a dev. Super bummer
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  3. #73
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    Iiiiiiiiiiit's Meeeee
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    Arcanist Lv 100
    I'm pretty sure they don't pay attention to views.
    Comments is more likely.
    But even then... is there a threshold we need to cross before they're told about a thread? I don't think there is...
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  4. #74
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    Quote Originally Posted by OvernightSiren View Post
    I feel like the devs haven't even commented on the egi glamour system in what feels like forever. I know a very vague comment was made in the last few months, but I don't think it was more than "there will be news coming sometime in the future". Maybe it's just me but I feel like it's a vital part to the aesthetic feel of SMN. Bahamut and Phoenix are really cool, but some of us chose SMN with the hope of one day being able to summon our favorite Final Fantasy espers/eidolons/etc.

    With the way pets are now non-targettable I feel it's even more simple to set it up now. The glamours really just need to be a reskin and then maybe a re-color of the SMN abilities (like if Leviathan is a skin for Garuda make its attachs blue instead of green for example)

    Alternates for Ifrit (Melee egis):
    - Shiva (Using the ice sword and shield)
    - Ravana

    Alternates for Garuda (Ranged egis):
    - Leviathan (Garuda's big ground aoe can be replaced by a large blue watery aoe from Leviathan)
    - Ramuh

    Alternates for Titan (Tank egis):
    - Bismarck

    Honestly, you could even not include Ravana and Bismarck and just keep it to the 2.xx egis and I feel like so many more people would be happy. Would love it if a dev could touch base on this...I've asked in the last few Q&A live letters but my question's been missed since it's likely not a priority.

    Even if the devs want to move away from the pet system entirely (and it seems like that's their goal) they could just re-tool the rest of SMN's abilities to be themed like the summons. Sort of like Yuna in Dissidia Duodecim. Instead of a poison DoT ability give SMNs a fire-themed DoT and have Ifrit's head/egi pop up when you cast it (like how Bahamut's head pops up when you use Dreadwyrm trance).

    I just feel like there's so much more that can be done to make SMN, aesthetically, feel like a summoner and it's disheartening that we basically got a red carbuncle over 2 years ago and then the devs just stopped mentioning it entirely.
    The reason we are not hearing about it simply because it's most probably not coming.
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  5. #75
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    Another expansion announcement and another live letter and once again zero mention of egi glamour. What do we Summoners have to do to get the devs attention?
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  6. #76
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    Reaper Lv 90
    The argument of "They'd need to change the class quests!" for different egis has been brought up.

    The fact the entirety of the AST job story no longer makes any sense in relation to the job just makes that a non-issue. I just thing SE is satisfied with the fact that everyone uses carbuncles, and they are satisfied with carbuncles.
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  7. #77
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    Quote Originally Posted by LisSquid View Post
    The argument of "They'd need to change the class quests!" for different egis has been brought up.

    The fact the entirety of the AST job story no longer makes any sense in relation to the job just makes that a non-issue. I just thing SE is satisfied with the fact that everyone uses carbuncles, and they are satisfied with carbuncles.
    Surely they have to realize though that the reason everyone uses carbuncles isn't because everyone loves carbuncles but it's moreso because carbuncles are the only SMN pets that don't just look like floating rocks.
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  8. #78
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    Quote Originally Posted by OvernightSiren View Post
    Another expansion announcement and another live letter and once again zero mention of egi glamour. What do we Summoners have to do to get the devs attention?
    When the expansion was announced they told us nothing about changes to the existing classes.
    If they have anything to say we shouldn't expect to hear it before the digital fanfest (in... May?).
    Also, nice necro. Glad to keep this issue alive.
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  9. #79
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    Quote Originally Posted by ItMe View Post
    When the expansion was announced they told us nothing about changes to the existing classes.
    If they have anything to say we shouldn't expect to hear it before the digital fanfest (in... May?).
    Also, nice necro. Glad to keep this issue alive.
    What do you mean "nice necro"?
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  10. #80
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    Xant'cha Argoth
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    Quote Originally Posted by OvernightSiren View Post
    What do you mean "nice necro"?
    This is an old thread that was basically dead. You brought it back to the first page by posting in it so you "necro'ed" it. Not a bad thing wish more people would do the s rather than making 20 threads for the same topic
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