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    and yet they've demonstrated how truly flexible the lore is

    they didnt have male miqote or female roegadyn just to keep tradition with ff11 and tried to justify it with the lore. there were no male miqo'te because they were all apparently very hostile or whatever gobblidgook that was hastily retconned away in 2.0. which funnily enough is the same lore justification they have for viera. the lore justification for no female roegadyn or even female highlanders in 1.0 (besides the lady admiral of course, who was introduced after yoship became director of xiv) was...uh...er.... and there are no female hrothgar for the same reason.
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    Quote Originally Posted by grinkdaboy View Post
    and yet they've demonstrated how truly flexible the lore is

    they didnt have male miqote or female roegadyn just to keep tradition with ff11 and tried to justify it with the lore. there were no male miqo'te because they were all apparently very hostile or whatever gobblidgook that was hastily retconned away in 2.0. which funnily enough is the same lore justification they have for viera. the lore justification for no female roegadyn or even female highlanders in 1.0 (besides the lady admiral of course, who was introduced after yoship became director of xiv) was...uh...er.... and there are no female hrothgar for the same reason.
    Miqote and Roegadyn are not Mithra and Galka.
    Also these are XIV races, not Tactics Races from Ivalice. So they can change and flip the Miqote and Roes and people wont care as much. But the Viera are not from XIV and have their own established lore.
    Now, Ive said a good handful of times they can add to that lore to justify them, otherwise there is a lore excuse should they chose to fall back on it.

    No Female Hrothgar is because they didnt have enough time and resources to make them along with Male Hrothgar and the Viera
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zanarkand-Ronso View Post
    Miqote and Roegadyn are not Mithra and Galka.
    Also these are XIV races, not Tactics Races from Ivalice. So they can change and flip the Miqote and Roes and people wont care as much. But the Viera are not from XIV and have their own established lore.
    Now, Ive said a good handful of times they can add to that lore to justify them, otherwise there is a lore excuse should they chose to fall back on it.

    No Female Hrothgar is because they didnt have enough time and resources to make them along with Male Hrothgar and the Viera
    at least on the viera note: they can and have called in the lead ivalice guy to oversee content for the game already, and he, yoshi, soken, and a few others are all on good terms both personally and business-wise (yoshi noted them as basically all being drinking buddies). there's no reason why they couldnt either get him to design one, or give his blessing to make their own design (if such a thing is even required).
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    Quote Originally Posted by SpiralMask View Post
    at least on the viera note: they can and have called in the lead ivalice guy to oversee content for the game already, and he, yoshi, soken, and a few others are all on good terms both personally and business-wise (yoshi noted them as basically all being drinking buddies). there's no reason why they couldnt either get him to design one, or give his blessing to make their own design (if such a thing is even required).
    Of course, I agree and see no issue with that.
    Just... at the same time would they wanna preserve what makes the Viera...Viera?
    Its just a personal opinion but I think our first vision of them should be in a brand new game set in Ivalice instead of in an MMO. Im not exactly against them being put into FF:XIV, but I just think their lore should be expanded on should the Males come out of hiding. Since in every other game the males have been separated and exclude from others.
    I think that should stay, unless their lore as a whole is expanded on.
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    SO SO SO HAPPY, THANK YOU, YOSHI P!

    I am thrilled that male Viera will be in FFXIV. Thank you so much to the community for keeping it on the forefront and the developers for making it happen!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zanarkand-Ronso View Post
    Miqote and Roegadyn are not Mithra and Galka.
    Also these are XIV races, not Tactics Races from Ivalice. So they can change and flip the Miqote and Roes and people wont care as much. But the Viera are not from XIV and have their own established lore.
    Now, Ive said a good handful of times they can add to that lore to justify them, otherwise there is a lore excuse should they chose to fall back on it.

    No Female Hrothgar is because they didnt have enough time and resources to make them along with Male Hrothgar and the Viera
    I've gone over and OVER this. They're not FFXII Viera suddenly sucked into a portal and dumped in the XIV world. They're Hydaelin Viera. They look similar to Ivalice Viera (note: no clawed, three-toed feet, no long claws, ears sit differently, eyes look somewhat different), they have similar (note: SIMILAR, not THE SAME, SIMILAR) Lore, but they're NOT the same.

    EVEN THOUGH Matsuno worked on Return to Ivalice, they're not the same. To the point that it's repeatedly mentioned that Ivaliceans are Proto-Garleans, especially the Gougans. Matsuno basically added Fran (and she was added later in development because originally he wanted to add Balthier), the XIV dev team decided to make Viera, and basically made THEIR version of Viera, not Matsuno's (or, Akihiko Yoshida's, the character designer).
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