Instead of cutting Ultimate from 5.5 why not cut bozja?

[MPK]

You know, SE should learn a lot from World of Warcraft. At least in that game, Blizzard cares about the raid content

[LisSquid]

You know, SE should learn a lot from World of Warcraft. At least in that game, Blizzard cares about the raid content

They literally delayed an expansion for months due to covid. Shadowlands had the benefit of having been in development before the lockdowns, but they will also see similar cuts soon. They cut wings and a second Mage Tower out of BfA even without it..

[Jojoya]

You know, SE should learn a lot from World of Warcraft. At least in that game, Blizzard cares about the raid content

This isn't a raid-centric game, unlike WoW.

I'd rather not watch SE make the mistakes that Blizzard made to drive so many players from WoW.

If you think WoW is the better game, you'd be better off playing it.

[Duskane]

should just stop replying to them
just baiting

[Halivel]

You know, SE should learn a lot from World of Warcraft. At least in that game, Blizzard cares about the raid content

Or maybe SE should be allowed to develop the game with concept they want to, not to follow WoW steps to only be shamed for this couple of years later because that's what this player base will inevitably do at some point.

FF14 isn't perfect or something and there are tons of things they can and should improve (and they do, although sometimes slower than wanted), but if you love WoW raid system so much - maybe FF14 raiding just isn't for you. This game's primary focus never was in raids nor raiders, it was and is in story and social interactions outside of dungeons (as much as it's unpopular on the west).

[Vahlnir]

Yeah but the problem wasn't: It's either the Ultimate or Bozja.
It's actually: It's either Ultimate or Endwalker

And I see too many people in this thread on both sides of the argument who believe it was the former topic.

Oh, I know. And I agree. Was just making an observation, more or less.

[Spnr]

You know, SE should learn a lot from World of Warcraft. At least in that game, Blizzard cares about the raid content

I don't know if you know this,
Yoshi P had mentioned that SE had benchmarked WoW a lot since the ARR. Of course, it's hard to find MMORPG that didn't benchmark WoW...
So I think there's no point of saying SE should learn a lot from WoW... the basic game system is already from WoW.

That being said,
I think this is the priority that most of the players probably agree with.

Endwalker>Ultimate>Bozja savage

To make people calm down and bring peace back,
SE might need to clarify that they had to choose Edenwalker instead of Ultimate reluctantly, and Bozja savage has nothing to do with Ultimate in terms of costs.

But if that's not the case, like they really did choose Bozja savage over Ultimate... then.. i dunno.. just sad...

[LyraleiManagem]

Yeah but the problem wasn't: It's either the Ultimate or Bozja.
It's actually: It's either Ultimate or Endwalker

And I see too many people in this thread on both sides of the argument who believe it was the former topic.

And the real problem is the bad decision making that put the dev team in this situation. They shouldnt plan the 2nd ultimate to be released in 5.5 to begin with.

Even without the pandemic, developing a new ultimate at the end of the expansion likely to have conflict with the new expansion since it’s known that ffxiv dev team has always been understaffed. And unlike some other contents such as eureka or bozja ultimate is not something you can release an unpolished version to meet the deadline and patch it later.

And personally what frustrates me most is they didnt announce it when 5.4 was out. They are fully aware that a lot of players formed static, pushed for week 1 and grind for BiS for ultimate. If the fight is 70% done now it would be pretty obvious they were also behind back then.
As many rightfully mentioned here, people who care about ultimate raid is a minority and their sub doesnt matter, why dont they announce it earlier to save those people’s time and money.

[Anvaire]

I don't know if you know this,
Yoshi P had mentioned that SE had benchmarked WoW a lot since the ARR. Of course, it's hard to find MMORPG that didn't benchmark WoW...
So I think there's no point of saying SE should learn a lot from WoW... the basic game system is already from WoW.

That being said,
I think this is the priority that most of the players probably agree with.

Edenwalker>Ultimate>Bozja savage

To make people calm down and bring peace back,
SE might need to clarify that they had to choose Edenwalker instead of Ultimate reluctantly, and Bozja savage has nothing to do with Ultimate in terms of costs.

But if that's not the case, like they really did choose Bozja savage over Ultimate... then.. i dunno.. just sad...

I don't think its even remotely possible to cut Bozja savage without cutting Bozja. They haven't cut Ultimate, merely delayed it because of the effects of the pandemic. It pretty much-delayed everything by 4-6 months. I'm sorry but delaying Ultimate which is made for 1% of the player base or cutting or delaying the next expansion is the right call. They literally said they couldn't do it in time because of the covid delay and getting Endwalker ready. If they had delayed Endwalker further, the majority of the player base would have up to a year without content and those of you moaning that you don't have Ultimate would have long unsubbed and vanished onto the next thing, or would be criticising the devs for the content drought. Essentially its a no brainer, bring a new expansion or 1 tiny bit of content, the tiny content lost. I hear a lot of people moan about casuals, and the content being made for them, but funnily enough, they are the ones that actually keep the game alive while Most HC raiding flit in do the content and then leave. In terms of value to the health of the game, it comes down to the bigger group, and the "casuals" are always going to win on that front. I class myself as semi-casual as I clear most savage tiers and despite everything, have managed to keep a constant sub bar 1 or days since ARR launch. In terms of content in this game, I can safely say there is A ton of it, the problem for a lot of players who call things "Garbage" is that the content is not to their liking. I often wonder though, if they fed back what exactly they didn't like about it to this forum, other than saying "its garbage" maybe the devs would have some basis to actually adjust the things people don't like.

[LyraleiManagem]

They haven't cut Ultimate, merely delayed it because of the effects of the pandemic.

Unless they release 3 ultimates in EW then it is cancelled.