Instead of cutting Ultimate from 5.5 why not cut bozja?

[Vahlnir]

So I just wanted to know why people think that cutting Bozja would do anything for pushing DSU out earlier? The one guy working on DSU is needed for the new fights in 6.0. He's a 'necessary' individual for that new battle content for the expansion needs. Even if Bozja was cut right now, that wouldn't free up the ultimate designer to finish DSU, and then everyone would lose out.

It wouldn't. It's just them wanting their content now whatever the cost. I can understand that to some degree, and would probably feel the same of they had delayed Bozja instead. But I would also understand why they did what they did and take a break from the game for a little while.

[MrThinker]

It wouldn't. It's just them wanting their content now whatever the cost. I can understand that to some degree, and would probably feel the same of they had delayed Bozja instead. But I would also understand why they did what they did and take a break from the game for a little while.

Yeah but the problem wasn't: It's either the Ultimate or Bozja.
It's actually: It's either Ultimate or Endwalker

And I see too many people in this thread on both sides of the argument who believe it was the former topic.

[Despair82]

instead lock what 80% of players want to do behind what 90% of players dont wanna do, great casual content SE

[ZedxKayn]

I don't get the replies saying most people "can't" participate in savage/ultimate.

Anyone with a gearset meeting the ilv req can participate, they just choose not to put in the effort. Just like people who don't wanna do Bozja don't bother with Bozja. That's a really weak argument.

[TaleraRistain]

But it wasn't Bozja that meant cancelling Ultimate. Yoshi-P said they would have had to delay Endwalker from where it is. It's already about 3 months from where we normally get expansions.

So...delay the expansion that 100% of the player base would do (even those who do Ultimate because they would need to unlock new hardcore content after the story) or anger and frustrate the majority of the player base for the tiny portion that does Ultimate.

This is a no-brainer, folks.

[Spnr]

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Just a JP player passing by... sorry for my bad English.. I'm not using translator so there may be big grammar mistakes everywhere. Please feel free to point the mistakes out.

...excuse me sir, nope maam,
Ultimates have definitely and completely different playing experience from the savage... That's what i've felt during the Ultimate static from the beginning to the end. I mean during the whole time.
Of course, I have no intension of fighting with anyone just to let you know...
You should definitely try the Ultimates, doesn't matter it being the shb(apparently TEA is likely going to be the only Ultimates for sbh..; or the 4.x ultimates, escpecially if you love the hardcore raids.

That being said,
I do understand, or at least i think i understand the circumstances under the Covid. So the current situation isn't really the best for any of us...
But also, Ultimates are in some way the symbol of current ffxiv, especially for the hardcore gamers.
We all must not forget; this is a online GAME.
It's a game, for the sake of God. Clearing difficult raids is worth admiring and praise; this might not be applicable for ALL of us, but MOST of us gamers probably agree with this.
These values are basically the same and not that different for all other online games. Of course there's a lot of ways of enjoying online games. But i'm talking about things in general. As values that a gamer has in general.
And Ultimates are considered the most difficult raid for this game.
The most difficult raid being cancelled(or in this case DELAYED) should be definitely a GREAT LOSS for a online game.
It's like having fast food wtihout french fries and coke.
That considered, Bozja savage(note that i'm talking about the Savage, not the casual one) is considered a newer attempt as a hardcore raid, with a lot of unusual and comparatively new conditions, such as 48 people being needed(actually, requiring large amount of party members isn't completely new, as we already have baldesion arsenal) but the Ultimates are considered the conventional hardcore raid,the most difficult raid content since 4.x.
I think it's quite obvious which one has higher priority...
I'm not saying that Bozja is a xxxx. I actually enjoyed the Bozja content pretty much. But if it's compared to the Ultimates, I'm sorry, I can't help thinking that taking Bozja Savage instead of Ultimate isn't really the best choice for the FFXIV...

[TaleraRistain]

Yeah but the problem wasn't: It's either the Ultimate or Bozja.
It's actually: It's either Ultimate or Endwalker

And I see too many people in this thread on both sides of the argument who believe it was the former topic.

IKR? Nowhere was it said it was ever a choice between Bozja and Ultimate. Yoshi-P flat out stated it was delaying the expansion release or Ultimate. They would have been absolute idiots to delay the expansion further just for Ultimate. Especially if that got out.

[LisSquid]

Yeah but the problem wasn't: It's either the Ultimate or Bozja.
It's actually: It's either Ultimate or Endwalker

And I see too many people in this thread on both sides of the argument who believe it was the former topic.

Well that really is it, then. Now I feel less of a sting about Ultimate for sure. It's not even a "side content for side content." It's "side content or the product". Even more of a non-negotiable decisions.

[MPK]

Just a JP player passing by... sorry for my bad English.. I'm not using translator so there may be big grammar mistakes everywhere. Please feel free to point the mistakes out.

...excuse me sir, nope maam,
Ultimates have definitely and completely different playing experience from the savage... That's what i've felt during the Ultimate static from the beginning to the end. I mean during the whole time.
Of course, I have no intension of fighting with anyone just to let you know...
You should definitely try the Ultimates, doesn't matter it being the shb(apparently TEA is likely going to be the only Ultimates for sbh..; or the 4.x ultimates, escpecially if you love the hardcore raids.

That being said,
I do understand, or at least i think i understand the circumstances under the Covid. So the current situation isn't really the best for any of us...
But also, Ultimates is in some way the symbol of current ffxiv, especially for the hardcore gamers.
We all must not forget; this is a online GAME.
It's a game, for the sake of God. Clearing difficult raids is worth admiring and praise; this might not be applicable for ALL of us, but MOST of us gamers probably agree with this.
These values are basically the same and not that different for all other online games. Of course there's a lot of ways of enjoying online games. But i'm talking about things in general. As a gamer in general.
And Ultimates are considered the most difficult raid for this game.
The most difficult raid being cancelled(or in this case DELAYED) should be definitely a GREAT LOSS for a online game.
It's like having fast food wtihout french fries and coke.
That considered, Bozja savage(note that i'm talking about the Savage, not the casual one) is considered a new attempt as a hardcore raid, with a lot of unusual and comparatively new conditions, such as 48 people being needed(actually, requiring large amount of party members isn't completely new, as we already have baldesion arsenal) but the Ultimates are considered the conventional hardcore raid,the most difficult content since 4.x.
I think it's quite obvious which one has higher priority...
I'm not saying that Bozja is damn xxxx. I actually enjoyed the Bozja content pretty much. But if it's compared to the Ultimates, I'm sorry, I can't help thinking that taking Bozja Savage instead of Ultimates isn't really the best choice for the FFXIV...

I totally agree with you! People who don't try ultimate are missing out!

48 man raid was really disappointing especially being locked behind such a long grind. A lot of play testing must've went into that fight, which couldve been spent on play testing and developing the ultimate fight.

If Square Enix did not waste time on the 48 man raid, we would've easily gotten the new ultimate.

[TaleraRistain]

Well that really is it, then. Now I feel less of a sting about Ultimate for sure. It's not even a "side content for side content." It's "side content or the product". Even more of a non-negotiable decisions.

Yeah I don't have the first clue where the idea in this thread came from. Yoshi-P said (I can't remember if it was showcase or the live letter) that it was going to delay the expansion to try to do all the tuning and testing and everything that is necessary for Ultimate. That's why it's not coming until 6.1