All Bozja content should be easy and the raids should be a roulette w/ big rewards.

[Absurdity]

Tbf I actually liked the "free" relics. Call me crazy but I like that there was a weapon option for the classes that I don't play often enough that I can justify spending gil on a crafted weapon. I'm sure that many casual players who only logged on to play occasionally also felt the same way about having an easy to get catch-up weapon.

I think that a lot of people who want the relics to be hard to get because they're gated by more difficult content forget that elitism comes at the cost of the enjoyment of the average "casual" player. Especially in the case of suddenly gatekeeping previously casual friendly items like the Bozja relics.

They shouldn't simply be "free" considering that they are not just catch-up weapons but end up being the best weapons available towards the end of the expansion.

The differences with HW's relics however (we don't talk about ARR because that was just painful) was that you could basically progress your relic by just playing the game however you wanted. Sure it was actually an even worse grind, but it was a grind you were already doing anyway by simply playing the game. Now you're forced to do a very specific type of content and you can not progress the relic with the content you want to do or when you want to do it, because you run the risk of being too late to the party. Granted Eureka had the same issue and it was bad for almost the exact same reasons, the only difference being that all you had to do was NMs and since they scaled to the amount of players in the zone you never hit an actual roadblock.

[Vickii]

Like it or not, Bozja and relics ARE the casual endgame, and in this game casual content has an unlimited lifespan. Look at basically all of the roulettes; even if they stopped adding new dungeons those would never die. Bozja could be insanely popular and last forever if they did it right.

But no, it'll be dead in a couple weeks AGAIN, and the casual players who didn't get everything they needed done on week1 will be locked out of their relic and their endgame.

I do like the idea of extreme challenges being introduced into casual content, but it should be optional and, most importantly, it should be SOLO. I'd hit up every hardcore solo challenge this game offers, but in a raid where I'm only 1/24th of what determines whether the raid succeeds... No... F that... Just make it easy so I can get it done.

Relics have never been casual. They have been accessible. Big difference.

[Vickii]

What I’m getting from this thread is you want SE give everyone a relic for afking in limsa by the retainer bell and playing meme songs on bard.

[Payadopa]

I do like the idea of extreme challenges being introduced into casual content, but it should be optional and, most importantly, it should be SOLO. I'd hit up every hardcore solo challenge this game offers, but in a raid where I'm only 1/24th of what determines whether the raid succeeds... No... F that... Just make it easy so I can get it done.

I did the raid (normal) and I had a blast. We cleared everything on the first try and like half the people got the first try achievement. Are you honestly telling me that this equates to an [extreme challenge]?

Why aren't we allowed to have mid tier content? It's either Savage or Sastasha. How about we get more middle ground? I don't want to watch a guide and practice for a few days but I do t want to face roll either. Bozja is finally something that's slightly challenging.
Was so much fun.

[SomeRandomHuman]

My issue is the gate that is lacus litore. No one does it because it's a one clear and never do it again mission. They should've given it that weekly quest like the new one to help get people through so they aren't SoL for being late to the bozdja party.

[Dogempire]

Relics have never been casual. They have been accessible. Big difference.

I don't see what's so accessible about locking relics behind content that'll be dead in a month or two

[Vickii]

I don't see what's so accessible about locking relics behind content that'll be dead in a month or two

I mean they’ve been accessible in the way that anyone can do them regardless of skill.

But they’ve never been casual. Eureka was a similar thing with content that had a lifespan. And the original ARR relics had horrific drop rates. But they could effectively be done by all.

If you want a casual weapon, it’s the Eden tomestone one. Log in once a week, afk while DF people kill four bosses for you, get your weapon.

[Vickii]

My issue is the gate that is lacus litore. No one does it because it's a one clear and never do it again mission. They should've given it that weekly quest like the new one to help get people through so they aren't SoL for being late to the bozdja party.

Yep, this is the main issue with Bozja and has been from the start. Their ‘fix’ isn’t nearly enough.

[RyuDragnier]

My issue is the gate that is lacus litore. No one does it because it's a one clear and never do it again mission. They should've given it that weekly quest like the new one to help get people through so they aren't SoL for being late to the bozdja party.

Agreed. Castrum needs a weekly too, one that can guarantee tokens (a new kind) that can go towards the Bozjan Runner's upgrade items. 2 weeks for helm/gloves/boots, and 3 weeks for chest/legs would be a good way to do it IMO. Also make it so Castrum is queued into from inside/outside Bozja like Delebrum.

[TaleraRistain]

They shouldn't simply be "free" considering that they are not just catch-up weapons but end up being the best weapons available towards the end of the expansion.

The differences with HW's relics however (we don't talk about ARR because that was just painful) was that you could basically progress your relic by just playing the game however you wanted. Sure it was actually an even worse grind, but it was a grind you were already doing anyway by simply playing the game. Now you're forced to do a very specific type of content and you can not progress the relic with the content you want to do or when you want to do it, because you run the risk of being too late to the party. Granted Eureka had the same issue and it was bad for almost the exact same reasons, the only difference being that all you had to do was NMs and since they scaled to the amount of players in the zone you never hit an actual roadblock.

Exactly! You didn't have to take all your game and only focus on this one place and grind it in only this specific way. You had options. You logged on and did your normal thing and you made some progress. You did this one daily quest each day to get this specific item. That made it very friendly to the casual playerbase these were intended for, since they could have limited time but could still progress through the grind over a longer amount of time than through something like Extreme or Savage weapons. And they weren't locked to time limited content. You can go back now and do your ARR and your HW weapons a little at a time, piece by piece, a bit easier than when they were current, but completely at your own pace. That is not true with Eureka and Bozja.