Tales from Duty Finder: Some make you laugh, some make you cry. Let's vent.

[Kaoru_Nagisa]

DPSing while people are dead or low on HP while your co-healer who has barely any mana left is trying to hard-raise one of 4 dead people is just something that no amount of "these raids are easy" can excuse.
And it's sad that I see this happen way too often.

At least communicate, ask the other healer if they are okay with solo healing. Forcing others into this, especially sprouts, is wrong.
I can't imagine how stressful it can be for a newbie healer to suddenly have to heal a raid alone.

Did you miss me saying "Now people who refuse to help heal even when many people are getting hurt or dead, that's a different story." above? Because that literally covers your complaint.

But otherwise, it is very rarely needed for both healers to be healing unless stuff is going very wrong. Even newbie healers can manage to heal through most of the raid unless people are messing up. If they can't, then that is when the other healer needs to start picking up and helping. But if things are going smoothly? No, both healers don't need to be healing 100% of the time.

As well, if someone goes into an Alliance raid with the assumption they have to cover all the healing, they are very likely creating this 'solo healing' mentality on their own without realizing it.

[Laphicet]

Can someone explain why 90% of the healers I see in 24-man raids just refuse to heal and let their co-healer do all the job?

Such often boils down to one healer being a curebot and the other not, derived from a misunderstanding of how little is required on the healing side of things from one of the healers, and the other healer not wanting to waste their OGCDs.

Happens quite a lot to me in alliance raids when I play healer, coheal doesn't understand how little is needed, ends up overdoing it drastically and leaving me sitting there spamming glare because if i healed it would be wasted as just overheal.

[Liam_Harper]

It's also the initial regen tick before generating hate on the enemies as a tank, which is the annoying part. With the way the enemies move and latency on top of that, they can run past you and slap the healer before the game registered that you have "top hate".

Let them. To be honest as WHM I don't care one bit if a mob gives me a whack or two, I won't die. In the rare occurrence that a mob breaks away from the tank entirely, I can pop a Regen on myself too and follow the tank as usual, it'll be picked up just fine by aoe once we stop at the end of a pull.

Sure, if your healer enjoys headless chicken mode whenever they get a mob, click Regen off if you have to. But otherwise you're just griefing your healer.

[SturmChurro]

It's also the initial regen tick before generating hate on the enemies as a tank, which is the annoying part. With the way the enemies move and latency on top of that, they can run past you and slap the healer before the game registered that you have "top hate". When i tank and a white mage gives me a regen before i've hit any enemies, i tend to click it off. If they give me a regen after i've established hate, then it's fine. It just makes picking up the enemies a lot smoother / less cumbersome.

On the other hand, when i play as a WHM, i refrain from giving a regen to the tank until he's finished with the pull. If i want to make sure he doesn't receive damage, i'll put a shield (Divine Benison) on him before the enemies spawn. That way, casting the ability will not generate hate. If they tank does get considerable damage during the pull, an instant heal after hate has been established will be enough.

Yeah, a lot of the time the healer will receive a slap. Regen jut shouldn't be used while pulling. Sure, put it on after I am done, but not before. It's better for everyone involved!

Sure, if your healer enjoys headless chicken mode whenever they get a mob, click Regen off if you have to. But otherwise you're just griefing your healer.

"Griefing". Of course. This is the reaction I usually get. It's not griefing.

[Packetdancer]

Can someone explain why 90% of the healers I see in 24-man raids just refuse to heal and let their co-healer do all the job?
It's especially bad if there are 2 of these and they will have a silent competition of "whoever heals first becomes the solo healer".

The problem is that there is no one "why" to answer your question; there's a number of different scenarios which all can lead to the appearance of the same overall thing (one healer letting the other do all the work).

Sometimes, one healer is using mostly GCD heals while another is DPS'ing and weaving oGCD heals. I've had times as AST where someone in the party was like "Why did you let the WHM do all the work?" yet in looking at the combat log I had actually healed more than the WHM in question. It was just that the WHM was spamming GCD heals so it certainly looked like they were doing all the work, since my oGCD heals did not show up in the party list as a castbar (and people rarely seem to actually look at what the buffs they have are to notice the effects of said oGCDs).

Sometimes you have a co-healer who is constantly flipping out if anyone takes even the slightest damage and spamming heals on them, regardless of what you do. And if I run into that, then after the first fight or two of a duty I'm going to shrug, let them go at it, and start focusing solely on damage unless the group starts to take damage that the cure-happy co-healer isn't able to cover. Because if everyone's being healed-up instantly by the other healer, there's more benefit to the group overall in those scenarios if I'm just being additional (green) DPS than there is in me just being pointless overheal alongside Curebot Buttonspam, holder of the world record for highest M2PM (Medica II per Minute).

And sometimes, you have someone who doesn't actually want to heal, and just queues as a healer because healer queues pop faster; once they're into something, they just treat their role as "Green DPS" to the exclusion of all else. And yes, healers are green DPS, but being green DPS should be the secondary job after "keeping everyone alive". Thus, you end up with the other healer being forced to do all the healing solo. (Sometimes, in fairness, this isn't so much by intent as by someone getting tunnel vision as they just hit their attack button over and over and over and over and... oops, guess the BLM died there. But usually in that scenario people start paying more attention.)

But if the party's taking damage, one healer is struggling with running out of MP and the other healer is oblivious and not contributing at all... then yeah, regardless of how you got to that situation, that's not great. Because in scenario 1, the oGCD-based healer should have been preventing this anyway... and if that isn't enough, they'd presumably be resorting to GCD heals at this point or else as low on MP as the other healer. And in the second scenario, if the Pure Healer is out of MP and struggling, it ain't going to be overheal now and presumably the one who was focusing on damage can now swap back to doing healing to help the party recover.

So if neither of those things have happened... then yeah, you probably do have "What's Healing I'm Green DPS" as your reason for that 'why'.

[Lynesse]

I know some tanks will vehemently disagree but if as long as you make sue that you tail the tank, it's completely fine to give regens between pulls or even prepull. The only mistakes many healers make is staying too far away from the tank. Just run as closely stacked with them as you can and it's all good.
They pop sprint? Do the same. The stand still for a GCD to get another aoe in? Do the same.
If I see a healer not doing the sensible thing, I'll click it off.
So if you see a healer prepull Regen you but not staying close to you, I think it's better to click it off. Too many people panic when they get aggro from wet noodles and run away.

This! 100% this.

Healers stay way too far back. I don't understand why so many people do this. Even my SO refuses to stack on me despite my audible frustration with them.

Glue yourself to the tank while running and you can do just about anything you want.

[SturmChurro]

This! 100% this.

Healers stay way too far back. I don't understand why so many people do this. Even my SO refuses to stack on me despite my audible frustration with them.

Glue yourself to the tank while running and you can do just about anything you want.

I think it's just inexperienced healers. They panic, think they will get hit by aoes.. actually a lot of them do get hit by aoes when they stand too close. They should want to stand close to do aoe (holy), but I digress..

[Lynesse]

I think it's just inexperienced healers. They panic, think they will get hit by aoes.. actually a lot of them do get hit by aoes when they stand too close.

I think that's a fear they have, but it's really not a thing while running.

[SturmChurro]

I think that's a fear they have, but it's really not a thing while running.

Yeah, that for sure. I get a lot of healers who - and I don't even sprint while pulling - who can't keep up with me, and that can be real bad sometimes, especially sometimes when I LoS certain pulls so the ranged get closer.

[Lynesse]

Yeah, that for sure. I get a lot of healers who, and I don't even sprint while pulling, who can't keep up with me, and that can be real bad sometimes because I LoS certain pulls so the ranged get closer.

Right? It's really frustrating when you LoS a pull and the healer is over in east bumble.

It's like, run with me. I won't let anything happen to you!