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  1. #30131
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    Lynesse's Avatar
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    Leona Valesti
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    Ultros
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    Paladin Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by SturmChurro View Post
    I wouldn't have, because I would have used hallowed ground instead. Oh? Maybe I should have added context, that "mentor" wasn't doing dps either, he was occasionally using the scholar's equivalent to Cure 1 (is it worse than cure 1?). So, yeah, I'm pretty sure I would have died if I hadn't started healing myself, or resorted to hallowed ground.
    Scholars will sometimes use Adlo -> Physick when Emergency Tactics is on cooldown if they're desperate to stabilize a pull, they need to conserve MP, and there's still a chunk of Adlo's shield left.

    It's 400 MP for a bigger raw heal than Adlo (at 1,000 MP). It's sometimes more efficient to use Physick in these scenarios.

    It's mostly in leveling dungeons that this happens. It is absolutely possible to go through Recitation and 6 Aetherflow on the first pull of a dungeon (before Aetherpact is available), and for the tank to still be dying.

    It shouldn't be a thing, but they exist.

    There were a lot of GNBs at launch who would Camouflage into Superbolide, and also get slammed by the line AoEs in that one pull in Holminster before the second boss.

    Combine this with bad DPS that make pulls take forever, and it becomes pure suffering, where you have to MacGyver the party out of some seriously messed up situations.

    It's much less of a thing now, and in a lot of cases, Adlo -> Adlo still works because the shield breaks quickly.

    I don't think, just by the way you're talking, that you're bad at all.

    There isn't a lot of room for error on SCH from 61-74, and not all SCHs are confident enough to use Dissipation (for 3 more Aetherflow).

    If the SCH didn't use Dissipation, or they used Aetherflow on Lustrate when Excog was available, that'd be the problem. It'd be a big problem. It's also a very common mistake.
    (6)

  2. #30132
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    SturmChurro's Avatar
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    Sturm Churro
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    Marilith
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    White Mage Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Lynesse View Post
    ..
    I was able to do the same pull in the next Sirensong, after the healer DCed healing myself using clemency. Now, granted, the dps were probably better, but there's no way that healer should have been consistently having such a rough time healing me, when I was in full augmented shire, and using my dcds. I just thought it was really condescending for him to give ME "tips" on tanking.
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    Last edited by SturmChurro; 02-01-2021 at 08:14 PM.
    WHM | RDM | DNC

  3. #30133
    Player
    Lynesse's Avatar
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    Leona Valesti
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    Ultros
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    Paladin Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by SturmChurro View Post
    I was able to do the same pull in the next Sirensong, after the healer DCed healing myself using clemency. Now, granted, the dps were probably better, but there's no way that healer should have been consistently having such a rough time healing me, when I was in full augmented shire, and using my dcds.
    That's what I'm saying: Based on your CDs, you did fine. SCH takes finesse, and the person probably made a lot of mistakes.
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  4. #30134
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    Avatre's Avatar
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    Avatre Drakone
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    Cactuar
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    Dancer Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Rein_eon_Osborne View Post
    I know aggro meter is not a good indicator, but...

    Me rolled as an AST into leveling roulette: Malikah's Hell, matched with GNB, SAM and BLM

    No unnecessary damage taken, so not much healing
    but I'm beating the BLM in aggro list... both mob pulls and boss.... as an AST
    AST beating BLM...
    I've had similar things happen in a lot of places as DNC.

    BLM/SAM/RDM/NIN with equal, or better in some slots, gear being much lower on the list than me(no deaths either). Not sure what their rotations are looking like, but my RNG for feathers is pretty terrible and I tend to go some time without getting any(even during my burst window I tend to get very few). Most notable is when it's in Puppets' Bunker, and the person I've partnered with is much lower on the board than anyone else. I've had some runs where I am #2 on the aggro list for the alliance, right behind tank, and it's only the healers who are fighting me for that spot.
    (0)

  5. #30135
    Player Rinhi's Avatar
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    Character
    Rinh Neftereh
    World
    Excalibur
    Main Class
    Monk Lv 90
    stone vigil curebot who didn't cast a single attack spell or cure 2, at least they threw some regens around
    when nicely asked to use cure 2 instead because it's better than 1, I got a "don't tell me what to do" so I assume they were trolling and playing bad on purpose seeing as they have a scholar at 80

    friends and I almost had a sub 14 min heroes gauntlet run with a great summoner today, which was nice
    (4)

  6. #30136
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    Cubsbane's Avatar
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    Uklizda Soreile
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    Diabolos
    Main Class
    Dragoon Lv 90
    Just wiped to E4.

    Just kidding! Everyone died at 27% except for two paladins and a samurai and they killed him together.

    It was so entertaining, it was like watching a boy band murder a rock. When one of the PLDs died to Fault Line close to the finish I yelled IRL.

    Duty Finder good actually (I will regret my words).
    (4)

  7. #30137
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    Cress Wildbloom
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    Siren
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    Miner Lv 80
    Not my story, but one from a couple of FC mates: Dungeon was Stone Vigil FC mates go in as Healer and DPS. The tank is a very.. Special case. I'd heard of tanks getting upset when a healer is overhealing but a tank that not only goes out of their way to turn off regen and then chooses to deny a res with the statement:
    "#nothealing"
    "that's why I kept removing the regen and why i respawned, because you was doing more dpsing than healing...like every other r--arded healer that thinks they need to help DPS instead of focusing on their jobs"

    I.. I'm speechless. One of those "healers should only heal" crazies.

    I mean, I can understand wanting a healer to heal more if dpsing is causing actual issues. But electing to make the healer's life more difficult by actively turning off every regen attempt is just being a jerk.
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    Last edited by CressSiren; 02-02-2021 at 08:41 AM.

  8. #30138
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    Rein_eon_Osborne's Avatar
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    Mira Clearweaver
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    Jenova
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    Conjurer Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by CressSiren View Post
    Not my story, but one from a couple of FC mates: Dungeon was Stone Vigil FC mates go in as Healer and DPS. The tank is a very.. Special case. I'd heard of tanks getting upset when a healer is overhealing but a tank that not only goes out of their way to turn off regen and then chooses to deny a res with the statement:
    "#nothealing"
    "that's why I kept removing the regen and why i respawned, because you was doing more dpsing than healing...like every other r--arded healer that thinks they need to help DPS instead of focusing on their jobs"

    I.. I'm speechless. One of those "healers should only heal" crazies.

    I mean, I can understand wanting a healer to heal more if dpsing is causing actual issues. But electing to make the healer's life more difficult by actively turning off every regen attempt is just being a jerk.
    Did that tank.. actually cursed at your FCmate like that in party chatbox? Because they can actually report them for being an a$$ like that.

    Either way, that player seems to be fun at parties lol. I’ve never met that kind of tank myself. Most tanks I’ve come across are actually -happy- if I help DPSing.
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  9. #30139
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    Jijifli Kokofli
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    Balmung
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    Arcanist Lv 55
    Quote Originally Posted by CressSiren View Post
    "that's why I kept removing the regen and why i respawned, because you was doing more dpsing than healing...like every other r--arded healer that thinks they need to help DPS instead of focusing on their jobs"

    I.. I'm speechless. One of those "healers should only heal" crazies.
    Is... Oh god.

    Imagine wanting your healer to just afk rather than actually contribute. If the healer has room to dps, that means people aren't messing up. It's a compliment to have them dps.
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  10. #30140
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    Cincierta's Avatar
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    Character
    Alaha Vellonnu
    World
    Lamia
    Main Class
    White Mage Lv 100
    So I found out the fun way that Walking Dead level up bug is still a thing.

    Qitana Ravel, me on SCH. Rest of party is DRK SAM DNC. The usual mass pulls and slaughter happen, first boss goes down without a hitch. Tank is rotating cooldowns though since they're 76, and I'm a slight bit rusty with SCH, I've been juggling dpsing and healing fairly well for being 76 myself.

    Queue getting to the second mass pull before the boss, DRK pops Living dead and being the opportunistic healer I am, I let it pop and grant WD status. I start spam healing, and suddenly he hit 100%...then keeled over dead.

    He had leveled up during that pull, had WD active, and the game said 'F*ck it, you die.' Thanks game. The tank and I were wondering what the actual heck happened until I asked a friend on discord, who then explained it to me that it's still 'that thing that will kick you in the balls.'

    I felt so bad. I shouldn't have let Walking Dead activate. The pull was cleared, but still.
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    This one is beyond your help. Only sleep can save her now.

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