Male Viera as a playable character! show your support

[Lauront]

Yes, well I'm not going to play some little gainsaying game where you make baseless claims, like it's a "pipe dream" and I say it's not. I don't care to waste my time in that way. So you go on with your life, I'll go on with mine, and I'll choose what I am disappointed over or not, whether it is my problem or SE's. Okay?

[Awha]

Yes, well I'm not going to play some little gainsaying game where you make baseless claims, like it's a "pipe dream" and I say it's not. I don't care to waste my time in that way. So you go on with your life, I'll go on with mine, and I'll choose what I am disappointed over or not, whether it is my problem or SE's. Okay?

It is not really a baseless claim, the amount of effort that goes into overhaling or making major adjustments to a game engine are monumental with even standard game engines. I cannot recall where, but I do believe Yoshi-P or someone working on the Dev team has gone on record saying that even the process of hiring new people to work on FFXIV is rough cause the way the engine is setup it requires extensive training due to the short cuts that were made during the relaunch of the game. Also the game came out in 2013, instead of a overhaul of the base game in terms of the engine it would make far more sense and probably would even cost less in terms of development hours while also maintaining a steady patch cycle to just come out with another MMO. Though FFXIV still makes them money with the current amount going into the game so from a corporate PoV why dump more money into a project that is already brings in a hefty amount of profit for the company? Sure from a fanbase and emotional PoV it would make sense, and I am sure if Yoshi-P had free reign over the budget allotment he could go balls the wall with the game, but sadly that is not the reality when it comes to project management. You have triage, and honestly based around how Yoshi-P framed the amount of work that went into creating what we got, I do not think it makes any finical sense to take on such a project again. I get from the sidelines it is easy, cause to a degree some of it is, I have worked on some personal mods when it comes to female bunbuns for friends and it is not extremely complicated on the induvial level. Though when on a team it is not as simple since you are juggling many different things and please the devs that do take their own personal time to work on their own passion projects to bring a little extra to the game. That should not be the expectation of the community though imo.

[VirusOnline]

It is not really a baseless claim, the amount of effort that goes into overhaling or making major adjustments to a game engine are monumental with even standard game engines. I cannot recall where, but I do believe Yoshi-P or someone working on the Dev team has gone on record saying that even the process of hiring new people to work on FFXIV is rough cause the way the engine is setup it requires extensive training due to the short cuts that were made during the relaunch of the game. Also the game came out in 2013, instead of a overhaul of the base game in terms of the engine it would make far more sense and probably would even cost less in terms of development hours while also maintaining a steady patch cycle to just come out with another MMO. Though FFXIV still makes them money with the current amount going into the game so from a corporate PoV why dump more money into a project that is already brings in a hefty amount of profit for the company? Sure from a fanbase and emotional PoV it would make sense, and I am sure if Yoshi-P had free reign over the budget allotment he could go balls the wall with the game, but sadly that is not the reality when it comes to project management. You have triage, and honestly based around how Yoshi-P framed the amount of work that went into creating what we got, I do not think it makes any finical sense to take on such a project again. I get from the sidelines it is easy, cause to a degree some of it is, I have worked on some personal mods when it comes to female bunbuns for friends and it is not extremely complicated on the induvial level. Though when on a team it is not as simple since you are juggling many different things and please the devs that do take their own personal time to work on their own passion projects to bring a little extra to the game. That should not be the expectation of the community though imo.

To come out with another mmo using the same engine that has lead us to our current list of issues ? Seems a bit counterintuitive if you ask me. Even more counterintuitive is attempting to spread resources so thin between content updates and working on a brand new game, and an mmo at that. You would almost be asking for a repeat of ARR. If I'm correct, this process of XIVs initial failure to the ARR revamp with one team working on the base game and another working on creating ARR took more than 2 years. And it took a couple more years thereafter for SE to see profits. Attempting to work off of memory of the documentary that's on youtube. It was a move out of pure desperation for SE, not one they'd be likely to dare want to risk again.

IMO, there will be a new engine needing to made if not already in the works. The current luminous (XV) will probably expend its technical boundaries in a few years here, and when and if that becomes the case then XIVs engine be considered without a doubt in need of an overhaul or an ARR style remake.

[Awha]

To come out with another mmo using the same engine that has lead us to our current list of issues ? Seems a bit counterintuitive if you ask me. Even more counterintuitive is attempting to spread resources so thin between content updates and working on a brand new game, and an mmo at that. You would almost be asking for a repeat of ARR. If I'm correct, this process of XIVs initial failure to the ARR revamp with one team working on the base game and another working on creating ARR took more than 2 years. And it took a couple more years thereafter for SE to see profits. Attempting to work off of memory of the documentary that's on youtube. It was a move out of pure desperation for SE, not one they'd be likely to dare want to risk again.

IMO, there will be a new engine needing to made if not already in the works. The current luminous (XV) will probably expend its technical boundaries in a few years here, and when and if that becomes the case then XIVs engine be considered without a doubt in need of an overhaul or an ARR style remake.

By no means did I mean to imply that is what they should do, was just providing that in theory it would be far less demanding on the dev team to come out with a new MMO instead of trying to fix the current engine of the game with a mass overhaul while also trying to maintain a reasonable patch cycle.

[Rymi64]

PSO2 is a good example as is ESO.

The amount of content added per update in PSO2 isn't the same as thats added to FF14 so they would have more time to mess with the graphics on the side. Hell we got more new costumes than new content. This coming from someone who's played pso2 for 8 years. Plus the coding is probably way less of a mess since it wasn't rushed out because of a failed 1.0 period that forced them to hastily put together a new game from the old mess. This also allowed them to add one new race though the only distinctive feature of that race was the horns and eyes.

All this to say that the character models were made to be more customizable from the start allowing them certain liberties on the side. All that gacha money they made from the ac roulette gots them in the clear

[Ranhansha]

Why are some people in this thread just to rain on someone else's parade? I'm constantly seeing them just saying: "No, won't get them", "No, impossible", "No, stop dreaming" And not always with the best manners.
Seriously, just enjoy your race and let everyone else just be.

[LisSquid]

Why are some people in this thread just to rain on someone else's parade? I'm constantly seeing them just saying: "No, won't get them", "No, impossible", "No, stop dreaming" And not always with the best manners.
Seriously, just enjoy your race and let everyone else just be.

It's keeping reasonable expectations for Friday. I would be overjoyed with the announcement of the missing genders, but don't I realistically see them making time for them for 6.0 without making other content leaner than what we are probably going to get.

[SturmChurro]

It's keeping reasonable expectations for Friday. I would be overjoyed with the announcement of the missing genders, but don't I realistically see them making time for them for 6.0 without making other content leaner than what we are probably going to get.

I've never actually wanted them myself. Always been neutral on their addition. SE said during ShB that it was their "last chance" to add new race(s), about just how difficult adding and maintaining races are. So I just find it odd that people ignore everything SE has said, and want them to just do it. These were issues BEFORE Covid, by the way.

I'm hoping to see further customization options for our current limited race(s). Some new hairs for viera, and maybe something to alleviate male hrothgar's issues, and more faces. It would be a shame in my view for SE to add the missing genders if they weren't ready, and to top it all off release them in just as limited a state as their counterparts. Just to please the players who think they want them. It's on them though, we wouldn't really know if they were or weren't ready until after the fact.

[spf1200]

Why are some people in this thread just to rain on someone else's parade? I'm constantly seeing them just saying: "No, won't get them", "No, impossible", "No, stop dreaming" And not always with the best manners.
Seriously, just enjoy your race and let everyone else just be.

While I can't speak for others I am just trying to temper expectations, so we hopefully don't have a repeat of 2 years ago when this forum was full of very angry people acussing the devs of all sorts of nasty things. There is nothing wrong with wanting these races, but there are people here acting as if they have already been confirm when we have been told not to expect them anytime soon.

[zeylos]

While I can't speak for others I am just trying to temper expectations, so we hopefully don't have a repeat of 2 years ago when this forum was full of very angry people acussing the devs of all sorts of nasty things. There is nothing wrong with wanting these races, but there are people here acting as if they have already been confirm when we have been told not to expect them anytime soon.

I am keeping my expectations decently tempered as well (I'm literally expecting nothing so everything will be cool/a surprise) but I think its not only fair and expectable but also understanndable that many people will feel heavily let down if male viera and female hrotgar arent added