Remove Gender-Lock From Gear / Glamour Please

[MilkieTea]

Branding people to be 'bigots' for not liking a particular style of fashion is a bit strange to me and does little to endear people to whatever point is being made.

Not liking =/= being uncomfortable because it challenges your view of gender norms.

As I stated: Or does it just make bigots uncomfortable to see, and make bigots view you as less than a male? Because if it doesn't impact the first two, then I don't really care about the second.

[Shibi]

One thing interests me, with those who are upset by men in dresses... how do they feel about men using female characters? It's common enough after all. Is a man playing as a Viera really any different to a man wearing a dress?

Because taken in a broader cultural sense, it always seems a little weird to me that in many modern cultures we are totally okay with showing blood and violence (including death!) on prime-time television, and a shirtless man is totally okay... but as soon as a woman takes their bra off it's "OH GOD, THINK OF THE CHILDREN! WE MUST NOT CORRUPT THEIR INNOCENT MINDS! THE EVIL LADY-NIPPLES WILL BRAINWASH THEM!" or something, and before you can blink the show is consigned to HBO or a timeslot after 9pm or whatever.

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"NIPPLZE IS TEH DEVIL'S WORK" is weird, and I don't understand the USA for it. If a woman decided to walk down a Paris street with her breasts exposed, it's quite probable nobody would really bat an eyelid. Et sur la plage.. it's quite normal to see topless women. Even in my country, topless women at the beach are rather common and nothing to blink an eye about, even with kids running around.

[SnowVix]

Branding people to be 'bigots' for not liking a particular style of fashion is a bit strange to me and does little to endear people to whatever point is being made.

please, keep caping for the person who called this request perverted.

[Juzjuzz]

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I said just by looking, ofc it doesnt define who you are. It's just looks. And i've never said i care about what others wear. I wasnt precise enough.
When a dude wears a dress made for females, i won't say he's masculine just by looking at him. That doesnt mean i consider him feminine by default. I just don't see that often, it's REALLY rare to see that where i live.
It doesnt make it uncomfortable. It's even a good thing if ppl get more things they like.
My only problem with removing genderlock is the lack of balance. Other than than that i don't really care.

[Gemina]

The grammar is shocking, but it seems like you are espousing "Any man who wears a dress isn't masculine". Is that what you are saying?

I'm saying it isn't masculine to wear a dress, but tomato tomata; a guy who is very masculine isn't going to have much interest in wearing a dress other than a few randos playing a goof or something. They definitely don't make it a normal part of their attire.

Dresses are manly as fuck.

This is a totally different approach. My response to that is if you think dresses are manly, then you have no idea what femininity is.

Let us be real all this focus on what clothing is considered masculine or feminine is not really masculine behavior, or if we are going based off classic gender norms when was being self conscious about ones attire ever considered manly or masculine? I get what you are saying regarding the look of the attire, but a lot of people are way to trapped up in this whole tying masculine or feminine labels onto clothing. Which is silly at this point. I do not think the clothing defines the person, so yeah if I saw Hafþór Júlíus Björnsson wearing a pink tutu, by no means would I think that man is feminine at all.

If you took this approach to a fashion design team, they would first laugh thinking you are joking, then run you out of the building once realizing that you're serious. From a view of practicality, clothing does not matter since it is only needed to cover our privates, and assist in regulating the temperature from our surrounding climate so we are comfortable in it. From a view of fashion, it has almost always been a matter of masculine, feminine, or neutral when it came to design. But clothing has always been fashioned for him, or fashioned for her. What planet are you on?

Those who wish to destroy gender norms, and gender roles are the ones who are disgusted and find these type of things silly. 98% of people on this planet fit into their respective gender role, and gladly accept their sexual assignments. This does not mean that that the extreme minority should be dismissed, but it is absolutely bat-S crazy to think that the majority will or even can change what they've been conditioned to believe, and they are also backed by science. Our current upside down society is a direct result of trying to force a square peg to fit into a round hole.

[Awha]

I'm saying it isn't masculine to wear a dress, but tomato tomata; a guy who is very masculine isn't going to have much interest in wearing a dress other than a few randos playing a goof or something. They definitely don't make it a normal part of their attire.


This is a totally different approach. My response to that is if you think dresses are manly, then you have no idea what femininity is.


If you took this approach to a fashion design team, they would first laugh thinking you are joking, then run you out of the building once realizing that you're serious. From a view of practicality, clothing does not matter since it is only needed to cover our privates, and assist in regulating the temperature from our surrounding climate so we are comfortable in it. From a view of fashion, it has almost always been a matter of masculine, feminine, or neutral when it came to design. But clothing has always been fashioned for him, or fashioned for her. What planet are you on?

Those who wish to destroy gender norms, and gender roles are the ones who are disgusted and find these type of things silly. 98% of people on this planet fit into their respective gender role, and gladly accept their sexual assignments. This does not mean that that the extreme minority should be dismissed, but it is absolutely bat-S crazy to think that the majority will or even can change what they've been conditioned to believe, and they are also backed by science. Our current upside down society is a direct result of trying to force a square peg to fit into a round hole.

I will grant that in today's society clothing does have an inherent tilt towards masculine or feminine. I am of the mindset that it is more if a spectrum but that is neither here nor there. This is one of those points that no one would really be able to sway the otherside. I just find it interesting that Pants are considered more natural now even though for the longest time they were firmly considered more masculine attire proving perception can change. Yet dresses are the hill people want to die on.

[TheMightyMollusk]

Considering how many jobs involve jumps, flips, spins, and other acrobatics in their attacks, pants are far more practical. Especially if you'd rather not be flashing the goods at everyone.

[Awha]

Considering how many jobs involve jumps, flips, spins, and other acrobatics in their attacks, pants are far more practical. Especially if you'd rather not be flashing the goods at everyone.

That is the thing should the reasoning behind why someone prefers one piece over the other matter? Should pants are more practical, but in the end should the reason matter as to why someone would want to wear something? This is the part that confuses me regarding all of this. People are more likely to defend the ability of females wearing pants, yet when a dress comes into play it causes some conflict. If one option that goes against established gender norms, then why not another? Granted, I get one is considered stranger then the other by most standards.

Overall maybe I am just weird cause I just do not see the difference between a female asking for more pant options and male asking for more dress options.

[Raikai]

The maid and butler outfit I do personally should be up for consideration as a desirable set.

I remember months ago, I saw on reddit that people somehow datamined the maid outfit, alongside with other female-specific items and the bride gown, unlocked to male characters in the game files. After a while they made the bride dress available, with some of the other pieces gender-unlocked. This makes me think that they are just giving drop by drop, to keep the hype, maybe?

But since the maid/butler outfit is a mogstation item, I dunno what's keeping them for releasing the unlock, since it will instantly become more interesting to be purchased. I personally would LOVE the tailcoat in my alt, which happens to be a female character. We have the wedding one, yeah, but I think the butler tailcoat is much more interesting and less obviously matrimonial.

[Qent_Darmarial]

If you took this approach to a fashion design team, they would first laugh thinking you are joking, then run you out of the building once realizing that you're serious. From a view of practicality, clothing does not matter since it is only needed to cover our privates, and assist in regulating the temperature from our surrounding climate so we are comfortable in it. From a view of fashion, it has almost always been a matter of masculine, feminine, or neutral when it came to design. But clothing has always been fashioned for him, or fashioned for her. What planet are you on?

Those who wish to destroy gender norms, and gender roles are the ones who are disgusted and find these type of things silly. 98% of people on this planet fit into their respective gender role, and gladly accept their sexual assignments. This does not mean that that the extreme minority should be dismissed, but it is absolutely bat-S crazy to think that the majority will or even can change what they've been conditioned to believe, and they are also backed by science. Our current upside down society is a direct result of trying to force a square peg to fit into a round hole.

Nothing about any piece of clothing is inherently gendered. What is considered masculine or feminine not only varies between cultures, but within cultures, and also changes over time. There is no quantum of gender to be found in any cloth made for humans to wear. Clinging to some idealized form of any of this can only ever be holding up one singular instance from a specific point in history as the end-all-be-all. Nothing is being destroyed. It has only always been changing.