Remove Gender-Lock From Gear / Glamour Please

[Rin_Sato]

I do hope they also allow female characters to wear the topless male gear.
Genderlocked clothing is bad, after all.

[LisSquid]

I do hope they also allow female characters to wear the topless male gear.
Genderlocked clothing is bad, after all.

Comparing exposed breasts to men wearing skin covering cloth is more revealing about you than the system, my friend :P

But, really. There's little reason gloves, shoes, and hats need to be gender restricted. Even in the most conservative sense.

[Packetdancer]

Comparing exposed breasts to men wearing skin covering cloth is more revealing about you than the system, my friend :P

Okay, I admit this has always struck me as a little bit strange. Women can absolutely find a man's exposed chest to be sexually attractive—I would not be surprised if a topless pin-up poster of G'raha Tia would be a very popular item in some corners of the playerbase—and yet no one objects to men being shirtless in things. But for some reason, women having their chest exposed is 'morally wrong'.

(I mean, after a certain size or in certain situations, women having their chest exposed is potentially uncomfortable; there's a reason things like sports bras exist. But if we're talking about what's socially acceptable and what's not, that isn't relevant. After all, it's not like "would this outfit be comfortable for someone actually doing these things" has been a driving factor in gear design for this game. Or superhero comics. Or the bulk of Western visual media.)

Now, I have no desire to wander around topless either in reality (see previous 'sports bras exist for a reason') or in-game, and given the various content rating systems of the world that govern video games, I can see why Square Enix would really not want to allow such a thing. But it's those content rating systems themselves that puzzle me.

Because taken in a broader cultural sense, it always seems a little weird to me that in many modern cultures we are totally okay with showing blood and violence (including death!) on prime-time television, and a shirtless man is totally okay... but as soon as a woman takes their bra off it's "OH GOD, THINK OF THE CHILDREN! WE MUST NOT CORRUPT THEIR INNOCENT MINDS! THE EVIL LADY-NIPPLES WILL BRAINWASH THEM!" or something, and before you can blink the show is consigned to HBO or a timeslot after 9pm or whatever.

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[LisSquid]

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For real!!

However, I just always think it's funny that the comparison to something culture has deemed pornographic (I personally do not subscribe to that thinking, just so we're clear) to men wearing feminine clothing.

[Shibi]

One thing interests me, with those who are upset by men in dresses... how do they feel about men using female characters? It's common enough after all. Is a man playing as a Viera really any different to a man wearing a dress?

Because taken in a broader cultural sense, it always seems a little weird to me that in many modern cultures we are totally okay with showing blood and violence (including death!) on prime-time television, and a shirtless man is totally okay... but as soon as a woman takes their bra off it's "OH GOD, THINK OF THE CHILDREN! WE MUST NOT CORRUPT THEIR INNOCENT MINDS! THE EVIL LADY-NIPPLES WILL BRAINWASH THEM!" or something, and before you can blink the show is consigned to HBO or a timeslot after 9pm or whatever.

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

"NIPPLZE IS TEH DEVIL'S WORK" is weird, and I don't understand the USA for it. If a woman decided to walk down a Paris street with her breasts exposed, it's quite probable nobody would really bat an eyelid. Et sur la plage.. it's quite normal to see topless women. Even in my country, topless women at the beach are rather common and nothing to blink an eye about, even with kids running around.

[Hycinthus]

I do hope they also allow female characters to wear the topless male gear.
Genderlocked clothing is bad, after all.

It's like that in ESO. Men can wear dresses with cleavages, because there is no gender locking. It's not a big deal. Having said that, you don't see all men suddenly running around with dresses. Everything is such a non-issue and not a big deal. Things become normal.

Everyone above who is complaining about "masculine vs. feminine", just play ESO and tell me if its a big problem or not. We don't need to go into this "what-about-ism" and "slippery slope" scenarios.

Things you mention may happen, but it may not happen. Go to ESO where there's no gender locking. You will barely see 1 out of 100 who are wearing different gender clothes, and again, only in passing. You just saw it for 2 seconds, and poof, they've walked away. That's it. It's totally not a problem at all.

Again, I want to bring up the argument with Jumping. Are you guys annoyed with Jumping or has it become normal? In 2013, in this exact forum, right after the failure of 1.0, the devs decided to implement Jumping.

Implementing Jumping in ARR was so opposed, just search you'll find 20 threads, because it will look like "players will be like rabbits just jumping all over Limsa, and breaking my immersion". What happened now? It's as normal as breathing air, heck, people who were "born" after the Jumping issue did not even know it was ever an issue because in every other MMO, it was like that.

[LisSquid]

It's like that in ESO. Men can wear dresses with cleavages, because there is no gender locking. It's not a big deal. Having said that, you don't see all men suddenly running around with dresses. Everything is such a non-issue and not a big deal. Things become normal.

Everyone above who is complaining about "masculine vs. feminine", just play ESO and tell me if its a big problem or not. We don't need to go into this "what-about-ism" and "slippery slope" scenarios.

Things you mention may happen, but it may not happen. Go to ESO where there's no gender locking. You will barely see 1 out of 100 who are wearing different gender clothes, and again, only in passing. You just saw it for 2 seconds, and poof, they've walked away. That's it. It's totally not a problem at all.

Again, I want to bring up the argument with Jumping. Are you guys annoyed with Jumping or has it become normal? In 2013, in this exact forum, right after the failure of 1.0, the devs decided to implement Jumping.

Implementing Jumping in ARR was so opposed, just search you'll find 20 threads, because it will look like "players will be like rabbits just jumping all over Limsa, and breaking my immersion". What happened now? It's as normal as breathing air, heck, people who were "born" after the Jumping issue did not even know it was ever an issue because in every other MMO, it was like that.

I wouldn't say 1/100, but I will say this is generally agreed upon to be the uniform for my ESO trials guild. (My friend dawning his finest)



It's just self expression. No one lost any glamour options and people can wear whatever they want.