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  1. #91
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    Okami Amaterasuu
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gameovers View Post
    you're missing the point... there's a difference between having options and thats all you're getting. Here's a hint.. all we've been getting is boring short anime hair. I liked it better when we actually HAD options. I want them to NOT be lazy, they've been lazy with the hair. So what I'm saying is if it leads to them NOT being lazy then I'm all for it.
    I mean I get what you're saying but the way I see it, they're probably going to lean away from adding more short hairstyles next expansion, and IMO before Shadowbringers there were only a handful of good looking short hairstyles, so I'm glad to see more options instead of most male characters only using the same few hairs.

    But then again who knows, they can't even be bothered to fit the newest hat and hairs to Viera and Hrothgar heads so it's pretty reasonable to assume they're just being lazy
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    Watching forum drama be like

  2. #92
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    Elja Djt-dvre
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    Signed by me. But if anything, I'm more concerned about items like Neo-Ishagrdian sets, Artifact sets, Nier sets and such. In case with a lot of Mog Station clothes - there is a chance of them lifting restrictions in future, because those are two separate sets with its own separate items. When it goes to Neo-Ishgardian/Artifact/Nier/etc, however.... they just alter depending on gender without being two different sets. That's what I don't like the most. I have a friend who would prefer male Fending Neo-Ishagradian set, but she only plays female characters. I have items I like more on "female version" more, as well. And the way these items are, the chance of them being separated and adjusted is next to 0%, such a shame.
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  3. #93
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gemina View Post
    IRL, defined gender roles have been skewed; not destroyed. If you think wearing a dress as a male does not make you less of a man, you have a skewed PoV as to what defines one. If you are confused or in opposition to that, I invite you to look up the word "masculinity". The best case scenario for a man wearing a dress thinking it doesn't make him less of a man is, "It doesn't help." because you will immediately be associated with femininity. Dresses, kind of have that effect. Just ask anyone who dreamed of being a Disney princess as a child if they were wanting to be a man.

    Anywho, your post was at least entertaining. I mean in one clause you use real life as a reason to not have restrictions, yet in the next clause you use real life to remind people they are playing a video game. It's been some time since I've seen such a dismissive post and attitude, and that's saying something.

    People pay real money to play this game, dude. Money that most of us have to work for. At jobs that during these days we are damn fortunate to have. The people who design this game and the gear also have real lives. They have families, bills, and other obligations and adult responsibilities. A lot of what they would like to do is sacrificed so players like you can come here and bemoan because some of the thoughts within the thread don't match your own.

    If you want to use reality as a basis for your arguments, then at least try to be real.
    Dresses are manly as fuck.
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  4. #94
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    Quote Originally Posted by Awha View Post
    Dresses are manly as fuck.
    A dress made with a feminine aproach wouldnt be the same as a dress made with a masculine aproach. I won't call a man who wears a female dress manly (if you talk about looks alone).
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  5. #95
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    I do hope they also allow female characters to wear the topless male gear.
    Genderlocked clothing is bad, after all.
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  6. #96
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    Quote Originally Posted by Juzjuzz View Post
    A dress made with a feminine aproach wouldnt be the same as a dress made with a masculine aproach. I won't call a man who wears a female dress manly (if you talk about looks alone).
    Being so concerned with your masculinity isn't very manly : P
    It's like that old addage: "tough guys wear pink," not giving a shit what others think of your masculinity is pretty masculine.
    You can wear a dress with a "feminine approach" and not have your clothes dictate who you are lol.
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  7. #97
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    Quote Originally Posted by ItMe View Post
    Being so concerned with your masculinity isn't very manly : P
    It's like that old addage: "tough guys wear pink," not giving a shit what others think of your masculinity is pretty masculine.
    You can wear a dress with a "feminine approach" and not have your clothes dictate who you are lol.
    True xD i was just talking about the outfit more than how the guy behaves. That's two different things. That's why i said "if you talk about looks alone".
    I'm not mister manly, either. I get concerned about what other think of me (you got me there lol), i'm not perfect. But if i follow what you say i shouldnt guive a shit about what you think. So if i don't like pink, i don't like pink, i'm not wearing that if i have the choice.
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  8. #98
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    As a gay guy, I think it's fine for people to not care for specific types of fashion. Not liking feminine looking fashion has very little to do with one's confidence in masculinity. I don't think it's any different to someone disliking a particular colour or type of food.

    I'd like to see more focus on masculine looking hairstyles, casual glamour and customisation options.
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  9. #99
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    Khit Amariyo
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    I mean, pink used to literally be a "manly" color in the first half of the 20th century, and blue a "girly" one. And that only when they were given a gender connotation at all.

    For example, a June 1918 article from the trade publication Earnshaw's Infants' Department said, “The generally accepted rule is pink for the boys, and blue for the girls. The reason is that pink, being a more decided and stronger color, is more suitable for the boy, while blue, which is more delicate and dainty, is prettier for the girl.” Other sources said blue was flattering for blonds, pink for brunettes; or blue was for blue-eyed babies, pink for brown-eyed babies, according to Paoletti.
    It also used to be relatively common for children to be put in dresses regardless of whether they were boys or girls, for many reasons; one big one was that a long dress could be worn for longer periods of time by a growing child, whereas pants had to be replaced far more frequently. There was even a celebration called a "breeching" when boys were old enough to wear pants (well, breeches), because they were now more "grown-up".

    Definitions of masculinity change from generation to generation; they've changed before, they'll change again, we're probably watching them change now. They also vary from culture to culture; a Scotsman will hardly be judged "unmasculine" because he's wearing a kilt. (And, according to many women—including me—potentially looking damned fine as he does. Witness more than a few images of, say, Ewan McGregor or David Tennant wearing kilts floating around the internet.)

    Doesn't mean it's not worth getting more options that are seen as "more masculine" now, of course. Variety is excellent, especially if the women can also wear the "masculine" options. (PLEASE GIVE ME PANTS. EVEN AS A HEALER.)

    But it's also not worth getting too fussed over what clothing male characters wear.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Packetdancer
    The healer main's struggle for pants is both real, and unending. Be strong, sister. #GiveUsMorePants2k20 #HealersNotRevealers #RandomOtherSleepDeprivedHashtagsHere
    I aim to make my posts engaging and entertaining, even when you might not agree with me. And failing that, I'll just be very, VERY wordy.

  10. #100
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rin_Sato View Post
    I do hope they also allow female characters to wear the topless male gear.
    Genderlocked clothing is bad, after all.
    Comparing exposed breasts to men wearing skin covering cloth is more revealing about you than the system, my friend :P

    But, really. There's little reason gloves, shoes, and hats need to be gender restricted. Even in the most conservative sense.
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