NIN "Hide" Skill Should Not Have Movement Penalty

[Styrmwyda]

Basically, I think it should allow you to go at normal speed, but using something like "Sprint" will cancel it. This make it more like stealth abilities from other MMOs.

[Rongway]

I don't object to your opinion that Hide should not have a movement penalty--it's a fine opinion to have. But "to make it more like other MMOs" is rarely a good enough reason to change something about the game.

If I were to argue for eliminating the speed penalty for Hide, I would bring up two things.

1. Gatherers no longer have a speed penalty on their stealth.
2. The number of situations that Hide allows you to sneak through content in any sort of meaningful way is incredibly rare. The last noteworthy use of Hide that I can think of is Final Coil Turn 1 (T10) where we used to have NINs sneak through the stage until they unlocked the boss shortcut for the whole party. That makes it about six years since Hide's stealth effect was game changing. The benefits of Hide as a stealth ability being almost non-existent, it doesn't need a penalty attached to it in PvE.

[Styrmwyda]

I don't object to your opinion that Hide should not have a movement penalty--it's a fine opinion to have. But "to make it more like other MMOs" is rarely a good enough reason to change something about the game.

If I were to argue for eliminating the speed penalty for Hide, I would bring up two things.

1. Gatherers no longer have a speed penalty on their stealth.
2. The number of situations that Hide allows you to sneak through content in any sort of meaningful way is incredibly rare. The last noteworthy use of Hide that I can think of is Final Coil Turn 1 (T10) where we used to have NINs sneak through the stage until they unlocked the boss shortcut for the whole party. That makes it about six years since Hide's stealth effect was game changing. The benefits of Hide as a stealth ability being almost non-existent, it doesn't need a penalty attached to it in PvE.

This is more so I can activate "Hide" to refresh my Mudras outside of combat and still be able to keep up with the group. Another alternative is remove the cooldown on Hide, you should be able to go in and out of it at will when out of combat.

[ItMe]

I think the movement debuff is unfortunate, but where it really grinds my gears is in PVP.

[Rongway]

I think the movement debuff is unfortunate, but where it really grinds my gears is in PVP.

PvP is a different matter though. You're hidden and untargetable, so it's fine to impose a movement penalty in exchange for the advantage of being hidden. In PvE, Hide is meaningless. If Hide works against a particular mob, it's a mob that's not worth hiding from in the first place.

[QooEr]

PvP is a different matter though. You're hidden and untargetable, so it's fine to impose a movement penalty in exchange for the advantage of being hidden. In PvE, Hide is meaningless. If Hide works against a particular mob, it's a mob that's not worth hiding from in the first place.

doesn't hide work in deep dungeons?


regardless, you can hide + shukuchi to not fall behind the party

[Lumivyory]

Another alternative is remove the cooldown on Hide, you should be able to go in and out of it at will when out of combat.

Just activate it and then right click on the status to deactivate it. No need to wait for the cooldown.

[Undeadfire]

The last noteworthy use of Hide that I can think of is Final Coil Turn 1 (T10) where we used to have NINs sneak through the stage until they unlocked the boss shortcut for the whole party.

Lets be honest you can Elusive Jump, or Shukuchi past the 2 adds. The rest any job can get past this since the adds only detect by sight what's in front, stick to Wall and they walk past you from a short corridor.