Remove Gender-Lock From Gear / Glamour Please

[Gemina]

Oh jeez, I can't handle gender restrictions being unlocked! *gasp*... now female toons... would be able to wear pants? and male toons... dresses? *gag*, it's never been done before! In real life, women wear dresses and men wear pants! It's always been that way, bring back manly men, blah blah blah. /s

For real though - gender restrictions are LITERALLY meaningless and arbitrary when IRL we can wear whatever we want with the only restriction being whether or not it's too small to fit. I'm a transmasc dude. I wear dresses all the time IRL. Doesn't make me less of a man, doesn't RuIn aNyOnEs ImMeRsSiOn. OP has the right of it, let men wear dresses, let women wear pants. Removing gender restrictions harms NO ONE.

You're playing a high techno-fantasy game set in a fictional universe where catpeople and furry tony-the-tigers exist, and you're worried about men wearing dresses and women wearing pants?

IRL, defined gender roles have been skewed; not destroyed. If you think wearing a dress as a male does not make you less of a man, you have a skewed PoV as to what defines one. If you are confused or in opposition to that, I invite you to look up the word "masculinity". The best case scenario for a man wearing a dress thinking it doesn't make him less of a man is, "It doesn't help." because you will immediately be associated with femininity. Dresses, kind of have that effect. Just ask anyone who dreamed of being a Disney princess as a child if they were wanting to be a man.

Anywho, your post was at least entertaining. I mean in one clause you use real life as a reason to not have restrictions, yet in the next clause you use real life to remind people they are playing a video game. It's been some time since I've seen such a dismissive post and attitude, and that's saying something.

People pay real money to play this game, dude. Money that most of us have to work for. At jobs that during these days we are damn fortunate to have. The people who design this game and the gear also have real lives. They have families, bills, and other obligations and adult responsibilities. A lot of what they would like to do is sacrificed so players like you can come here and bemoan because some of the thoughts within the thread don't match your own.

If you want to use reality as a basis for your arguments, then at least try to be real.

[Shibi]

If you think wearing a dress as a male does not make you less of a man, you have a skewed PoV as to what defines one.

The grammar is shocking, but it seems like you are espousing "Any man who wears a dress isn't masculine". Is that what you are saying?

[Awha]

IRL, defined gender roles have been skewed; not destroyed. If you think wearing a dress as a male does not make you less of a man, you have a skewed PoV as to what defines one. If you are confused or in opposition to that, I invite you to look up the word "masculinity". The best case scenario for a man wearing a dress thinking it doesn't make him less of a man is, "It doesn't help." because you will immediately be associated with femininity. Dresses, kind of have that effect. Just ask anyone who dreamed of being a Disney princess as a child if they were wanting to be a man.

Anywho, your post was at least entertaining. I mean in one clause you use real life as a reason to not have restrictions, yet in the next clause you use real life to remind people they are playing a video game. It's been some time since I've seen such a dismissive post and attitude, and that's saying something.

People pay real money to play this game, dude. Money that most of us have to work for. At jobs that during these days we are damn fortunate to have. The people who design this game and the gear also have real lives. They have families, bills, and other obligations and adult responsibilities. A lot of what they would like to do is sacrificed so players like you can come here and bemoan because some of the thoughts within the thread don't match your own.

If you want to use reality as a basis for your arguments, then at least try to be real.

Dresses are manly as fuck.

[Juzjuzz]

Dresses are manly as fuck.

A dress made with a feminine aproach wouldnt be the same as a dress made with a masculine aproach. I won't call a man who wears a female dress manly (if you talk about looks alone).

[ItMe]

A dress made with a feminine aproach wouldnt be the same as a dress made with a masculine aproach. I won't call a man who wears a female dress manly (if you talk about looks alone).

Being so concerned with your masculinity isn't very manly : P
It's like that old addage: "tough guys wear pink," not giving a shit what others think of your masculinity is pretty masculine.
You can wear a dress with a "feminine approach" and not have your clothes dictate who you are lol.

[Juzjuzz]

Being so concerned with your masculinity isn't very manly : P
It's like that old addage: "tough guys wear pink," not giving a shit what others think of your masculinity is pretty masculine.
You can wear a dress with a "feminine approach" and not have your clothes dictate who you are lol.

True xD i was just talking about the outfit more than how the guy behaves. That's two different things. That's why i said "if you talk about looks alone".
I'm not mister manly, either. I get concerned about what other think of me (you got me there lol), i'm not perfect. But if i follow what you say i shouldnt guive a shit about what you think. So if i don't like pink, i don't like pink, i'm not wearing that if i have the choice.

[Awha]

A dress made with a feminine aproach wouldnt be the same as a dress made with a masculine aproach. I won't call a man who wears a female dress manly (if you talk about looks alone).

Let us be real all this focus on what clothing is considered masculine or feminine is not really masculine behavior, or if we are going based off classic gender norms when was being self conscious about ones attire ever considered manly or masculine? I get what you are saying regarding the look of the attire, but a lot of people are way to trapped up in this whole tying masculine or feminine labels onto clothing. Which is silly at this point. I do not think the clothing defines the person, so yeah if I saw Hafþór Júlíus Björnsson wearing a pink tutu, by no means would I think that man is feminine at all.

[Gemina]

The grammar is shocking, but it seems like you are espousing "Any man who wears a dress isn't masculine". Is that what you are saying?

I'm saying it isn't masculine to wear a dress, but tomato tomata; a guy who is very masculine isn't going to have much interest in wearing a dress other than a few randos playing a goof or something. They definitely don't make it a normal part of their attire.

Dresses are manly as fuck.

This is a totally different approach. My response to that is if you think dresses are manly, then you have no idea what femininity is.

Let us be real all this focus on what clothing is considered masculine or feminine is not really masculine behavior, or if we are going based off classic gender norms when was being self conscious about ones attire ever considered manly or masculine? I get what you are saying regarding the look of the attire, but a lot of people are way to trapped up in this whole tying masculine or feminine labels onto clothing. Which is silly at this point. I do not think the clothing defines the person, so yeah if I saw Hafþór Júlíus Björnsson wearing a pink tutu, by no means would I think that man is feminine at all.

If you took this approach to a fashion design team, they would first laugh thinking you are joking, then run you out of the building once realizing that you're serious. From a view of practicality, clothing does not matter since it is only needed to cover our privates, and assist in regulating the temperature from our surrounding climate so we are comfortable in it. From a view of fashion, it has almost always been a matter of masculine, feminine, or neutral when it came to design. But clothing has always been fashioned for him, or fashioned for her. What planet are you on?

Those who wish to destroy gender norms, and gender roles are the ones who are disgusted and find these type of things silly. 98% of people on this planet fit into their respective gender role, and gladly accept their sexual assignments. This does not mean that that the extreme minority should be dismissed, but it is absolutely bat-S crazy to think that the majority will or even can change what they've been conditioned to believe, and they are also backed by science. Our current upside down society is a direct result of trying to force a square peg to fit into a round hole.

[MilkieTea]

IRL, defined gender roles have been skewed; not destroyed. If you think wearing a dress as a male does not make you less of a man, you have a skewed PoV as to what defines one. If you are confused or in opposition to that, I invite you to look up the word "masculinity". The best case scenario for a man wearing a dress thinking it doesn't make him less of a man is, "It doesn't help." because you will immediately be associated with femininity. Dresses, kind of have that effect. Just ask anyone who dreamed of being a Disney princess as a child if they were wanting to be a man.

Anywho, your post was at least entertaining. I mean in one clause you use real life as a reason to not have restrictions, yet in the next clause you use real life to remind people they are playing a video game. It's been some time since I've seen such a dismissive post and attitude, and that's saying something.

People pay real money to play this game, dude. Money that most of us have to work for. At jobs that during these days we are damn fortunate to have. The people who design this game and the gear also have real lives. They have families, bills, and other obligations and adult responsibilities. A lot of what they would like to do is sacrificed so players like you can come here and bemoan because some of the thoughts within the thread don't match your own.

If you want to use reality as a basis for your arguments, then at least try to be real.

Oh, wow, wearing a dress as a male removes your primary, secondary characteristics? Or impacts how you personally identify with your gender? Or does it just make bigots uncomfortable to see, and make bigots view you as less than a male? Because if it doesn't impact the first two, then I don't really care about the second. Those same bigots argued against afabs wearing pants in the 1800s-1960s. I'd assume, since one normally wouldn't argue that wearing pants makes an afab or fem-presenting person less feminine, that you're not arguing that?

[Tsumdere]

Oh, wow, wearing a dress as a male removes your primary, secondary characteristics? Or impacts how you personally identify with your gender? Or does it just make bigots uncomfortable to see, and make bigots view you as less than a male? Because if it doesn't impact the first two, then I don't really care about the second. Those same bigots argued against afabs wearing pants in the 1800s-1960s. I'd assume, since one normally wouldn't argue that wearing pants makes an afab or fem-presenting person less feminine, that you're not arguing that?

As my brother used to say, if you wear a dress your dingdong falls off.

Everyone knows that.