I appear to have already missed the boat on bozja

[Vahlnir]

That's intentional and not something that should be fixed.

Considering you can get 3 weapons done outside of Bozja in the time it takes to grind one out in Bozja? Yes, I think that's an issue. And I think it should be fixed. I think we should be able to gain them at the same rate in the instance.

[Iscah]

Considering you can get 3 weapons done outside of Bozja in the time it takes to grind one out in Bozja? Yes, I think that's an issue. And I think it should be fixed. I think we should be able to gain them at the same rate in the instance.

I think the choice is meant to be between:

1. Play Bozja and make progress in Bozja - earning mettle and coins - alongside earning memories.

2. Efficiently gather memories via FATEs but miss out on making progress in Bozja.

Half-and-half on two type of progress or all-in on the other.

It seems to me that the best path would be to do Bozja first (to whatever rank is ultimately required for progress, or using it to level classes) then use FATEs to earn the remainder of the memories you need.

[LaylaTsarra]

I think the choice is meant to be between:
1. Play Bozja for the sake of playing Bozja - earning mettle and coins - with a side effect of earning memories.

No the fates were for the people who didn't want to play Borza and who complained incessently that Eureka was the only way for them to get relic. They gave those people the option to earn relics without going to Front while at the same time giving those who actually play the content a harder time of earning those weapons in the zone.

i wouldn't have so much of a problem with cluster farms if mobs actually gave some xp like they did in Eureka. I have a Gilga toon I just got to R12 and she has a grand total of 29 memories. She has 5 roles and weapons I'd like to get for her by patch. My options at the moment in zone are to get her to R15 and then do clusters to earn the memories. I haven't checked since the announcement but fate farms have been pretty dead for some time and earning 60 memories from fate farming alone is significant effort.

My point is that the drop rate for memories from Skirmishes and CE's in zone sucks majorly and shouldn't be the case in my view. We all know nerfs are coming and hopefully the drop rate in zone will be one of them. I've done relic for too long to know that's inevitable.

On a side note this evening on Aether at least a number of Castrum runs have been running one or which was helped by a preformed group. The rush to get it done before patch has begun. I know personally I wasn't prepared for 5.45 to hit next week.

[Shougun]

Considering you can get 3 weapons done outside of Bozja in the time it takes to grind one out in Bozja? Yes, I think that's an issue. And I think it should be fixed. I think we should be able to gain them at the same rate in the instance.

I think the choice is meant to be between:

1. Play Bozja for the sake of playing Bozja - earning mettle and coins - with a side effect of earning memories.

2. Efficiently gather memories via FATEs but miss out on making progress in Bozja.

It seems to me that the best path would be to do Bozja first (to whatever rank is ultimately required for progress, or using it to level classes) then use FATEs to earn the remainder of the memories you need.

Given the presupposition that Eureka 2.0 needs to be 'the way' to get relics I suppose I understand people but given just a sort of impartial emotionless review of the info I really don't think making Bozja 1:1 as quick as 'those other options' is the right sense of balance.

With FATEs you pretty much JUST get the relic progress meanwhile you get more with Bozja.

If we have two pie charts that add to 100%, then Bozja would be like 50 50 or something and FATEs 100. This makes math sense. I see people keep suggesting that Bozja should be 150% and FATEs be 100% (or some people feel even worse). Percentages obviously don't translate perfectly but it was just a rough example of how one provides more than just the idea of a relic, perhaps if we looked at it like item stats. Bozja gives you +2 strength +1 - 1.5 agility. Meanwhile FATEs give you +2 agility.

I wouldn't be greatly annoyed if FATEs were equal to Bozja, just that I think what SE did actually makes a lot of math sense (even if the balance still needs to be tweaked). In so much that when people say it should be equal then to me that says that FATEs should be clearly the WORSE decision. And it's quite clear to me so far at least that SE was like "you've two options and they've got their own benefits, have at it" and SE wasn't like "you've got a bad choice and a good choice, don't be stupid".

So... I'm preferential that they keep both choices having their own thing, but I can see how the balance still doesn't feel quite exactly right (but I also don't really "feel" that 1:1 is honestly even fair, since that then makes FATEs clearly the "bad" choice).

Also we all know that SE did this out of player request, some players hate the concept of Eureka but still wanted a relic - SE 'generally' obliged them (so far at least lol). Of course someone may suggest 'I liked the idea of Eureka but the only reason why I'd run it so much is JUST for relic, so if you don't make it a good choice for relic then I don't want to run it'... so we start getting towards a no one will win situation but.. yeah.. and like I said they could perhaps sweeten the Bozja pot a little and perhaps make it a little bit more approachable (as they add the new area) so maybe those who hate the Eureka concept can slide in easier and maybe change their mind (but still have a 'fair' option if they don't).


Edit: I just quoted you Iscah to continue the thought, not to disagree, if you were like 'ye... ...?'.

[Iscah]

No the fates were for the people who didn't want to play Borza and who complained incessently that Eureka was the only way for them to get relic. They gave those people the option to earn relics without going to Front while at the same time giving those who actually play the content a harder time of earning those weapons in the zone.

Isn't that essentially what I said? Progress Bozja while working on your relic, or just work on your relic with no other benefit.

But I've reworded my post to be clearer, I hope.

[Curisu]

Once you hit rank 15 the relic items should get a 100% droprate.
So all those who don't have to do fates to rank up will do them again and new players don't have to deal alone with fates.

[Akimori]

All they have to do to fix castrum since its required my story is attach an EXP reward to it. Once they added coins to critical engagements, they effectively killed off the large scale content that is meant to progress the relic storyline...effectively locking out anyone who didn't do it during its original rush either because they didn't have the time or some other reason.

I completed castrum, but stopped at level 13. The critical engagements dont really give EXP that would be justified doing that without making it feel really grindy (or maybe that fixed that. I haven't done bozja since late Nov/early Dec)

[SturmChurro]

I completed castrum, but stopped at level 13. The critical engagements dont really give EXP that would be justified doing that without making it feel really grindy (or maybe that fixed that. I haven't done bozja since late Nov/early Dec)

It feels grindy, but it sure as heck can be a lot faster to level in there even without the Bozjan earrings, than dungeons.

[Akimori]

It feels grindy, but it sure as heck can be a lot faster to level in there even without the Bozjan earrings, than dungeons.

I have all of my classes capped, so that part of the grind is not pertaining to me. Im talking about the grind to rank up in Bozja after lvl 11 I believe is when the EXP needed took a huge jump

[SturmChurro]

I have all of my classes capped, so that part of the grind is not pertaining to me. Im talking about the grind to rank up in Bozja after lvl 11 I believe is when the EXP needed took a huge jump

Exp (mettle) scales. It doesn't take that long. Do CE's and FATEs in zone 3/2. I was down 130k mettle this morning (level 15) got it back in about an hour, or an hour and a half. Took a bit longer because CEs weren't happening too often in that instance.