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  1. #1381
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    There is such a thing as a Maned Lioness. Just it's a rare genetic mutation that makes a lioness from far away look like a male lion.
    SE could do something similar, but of course make styles that are more female centric
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zanarkand-Ronso View Post
    There is such a thing as a Maned Lioness. Just it's a rare genetic mutation that makes a lioness from far away look like a male lion.
    SE could do something similar, but of course make styles that are more female centric
    Yes, they can do whatever they want with them really.

    Dreads, braids, curls, long and straight or even a bald option, because they're Hrothgar and not actually lions and so they're not limited to what real life lions or other big cats (male or female) have or don't have.

    Some Hrothgar faces and manes are obviously meant to evoke the image of a lion, others are something else entirely so it would frankly be bizarre for them to limit themselves to bald female Hrothgar with wigs of all things.
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  3. #1383
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    Quote Originally Posted by Yencat View Post
    Yes, they can do whatever they want with them really.

    Dreads, braids, curls, long and straight or even a bald option, because they're Hrothgar and not actually lions and so they're not limited to what real life lions or other big cats (male or female) have or don't have.

    Some Hrothgar faces and manes are obviously meant to evoke the image of a lion, others are something else entirely so it would frankly be bizarre for them to limit themselves to bald female Hrothgar with wigs of all things.
    Yep. Otherwise I don't think this guy makes any sense..

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    Personally I would rather see them stick to the lion-based design of, if not entirely bald (particularly since they have the weird not-really-furry design thing with distinct patches), then all short hairstyles on the women while men have the longer manes. It would be an interesting cultural thing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SturmChurro View Post
    Yep. Otherwise I don't think this guy makes any sense..
    He just looks like he's brushed his hair forwards instead of backwards as most of them do. Or are you talking about the fangs?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Iscah View Post
    He just looks like he's brushed his hair forwards instead of backwards as most of them do. Or are you talking about the fangs?
    It was a hastily put together joke image. I was agreeing with Yencat. There is no reason at all for SE to limit themselves, and make female hrothgar bald just because lionesses or whatever don't have manes in real life. This is a fantasy game, they can do whatever they want with them. Anyway, ronso females, have hair. While hrothgar isn't entirely based off Ronso, it still is closely related.




    Frankly, so closely related I'd say they look just like the mosaic.
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  7. #1387
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    Quote Originally Posted by Iscah View Post
    Personally I would rather see them stick to the lion-based design of, if not entirely bald (particularly since they have the weird not-really-furry design thing with distinct patches), then all short hairstyles on the women while men have the longer manes. It would be an interesting cultural thing.
    I think a 'bald' feline head would look very striking and should definitely be an option, but not forced across the board.

    We'd end up with another male Highlander situation where the lore states "some choose to do X" but inexplicably everyone you meet of that race/gender adhere to this "choice".

    Cultural standards and practices of races should be available as options but never forced. I don't RP myself but I'm sure some people's characters go to great lengths to get away from their culture, only to be forced back into it by character creation limitations based on that culture.

    It's definitely interesting to have the choice, but just not very fun when it's forced upon players.
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  8. #1388
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    Quote Originally Posted by Yencat View Post
    I think a 'bald' feline head would look very striking and should definitely be an option, but not forced across the board.

    We'd end up with another male Highlander situation where the lore states "some choose to do X" but inexplicably everyone you meet of that race/gender adhere to this "choice".

    Cultural standards and practices of races should be available as options but never forced. I don't RP myself but I'm sure some people's characters go to great lengths to get away from their culture, only to be forced back into it by character creation limitations based on that culture.

    It's definitely interesting to have the choice, but just not very fun when it's forced upon players.
    I think female hrotgar should get at least 2-3 long hairs assuming we dont get the general hairs everyone has. Being bald makes sense for them I guess, but forcing it is just removing options from the player
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    Quote Originally Posted by Yencat View Post
    I think a 'bald' feline head would look very striking and should definitely be an option, but not forced across the board.

    We'd end up with another male Highlander situation where the lore states "some choose to do X" but inexplicably everyone you meet of that race/gender adhere to this "choice".

    Cultural standards and practices of races should be available as options but never forced. I don't RP myself but I'm sure some people's characters go to great lengths to get away from their culture, only to be forced back into it by character creation limitations based on that culture.

    It's definitely interesting to have the choice, but just not very fun when it's forced upon players.
    Depends on the reasoning behind it, though. If it's more like "fur but on their head" like the contrast-colour patches that the males have, and actually can't grow long, then that's just what they're like. They might have other unique ways of decorating it instead.

    So, physical limitation rather than cultural choice exactly, but leading to the topsy-turvey cultural perception of short hair as feminine and long hair as masculine.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Iscah View Post
    Depends on the reasoning behind it, though. If it's more like "fur but on their head" like the contrast-colour patches that the males have, and actually can't grow long, then that's just what they're like. They might have other unique ways of decorating it instead.

    So, physical limitation rather than cultural choice exactly, but leading to the topsy-turvey cultural perception of short hair as feminine and long hair as masculine.
    Absolutely, at the end of the day we wouldn't really know if a hypothetical female Hrothgar had short hair because it won't grow or because they choose to keep it short unless they specify.

    But I think the end result would ultimately be the same, limiting player options for no real reason other than because "we've decided they're just like that".

    And if there's anything players always want more of it's options to express themselves or their character, so unless they can actually come up with something a lot more amazing than fur patterns ended up being I don't think limiting the length of a race's hair is a particularly worthy cause just to do something different.

    I'm not even really against them being only bald (I think that could actually look amazing, the artwork reivaxe posted of the Tabaxi with the lute is a great look face-wise) I just don't think they have to look like that because of parallels to real life animals.

    But I'm also not really the target audience for male or female Hrothgar, so maybe people that would/do play them could speak on their preference for what to do about the hair.

    I just like options for everyone.
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