healers need a serious overhaul

[ItMe]

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Oooh, you have a clever eye~
I didn't think to take clues from the Ultimate either.

Hmm... this really changes my perspective. They'd said they care a lot about preserving the challenge of the Ultimate fights to keep them, well, ultimate, but man the ShB upgrades as well as being able to max out synched down substats really seem to be messing with things.
You mentioned they said they "made adjustments" to the Ultimates prior to ShB, and I doubt I'll find any specific statements, but I'll see if I can't find what they changed.

Though... perhaps this is just evidence that we actually need a stat squish to help rebalance everything???
At the very least (if it's done well) these performance disparities should become less pronounced.

[HyoMinPark]

Oooh, you have a clever eye~
I didn't think to take clues from the Ultimate either.

Hmm... this really changes my perspective. They'd said they care a lot about preserving the challenge of the Ultimate fights to keep them, well, ultimate, but man the ShB upgrades as well as being able to max out synched down substats really seem to be messing with things.
You mentioned they said they "made adjustments" to the Ultimates prior to ShB, and I doubt I'll find any specific statements, but I'll see if I can't find what they changed.

Though... perhaps this is just evidence that we actually need a stat squish to help rebalance everything???
At the very least (if it's done well) these performance disparities should become less pronounced.

The Ultimates are still hard—like there are still a lot of mechanics that, when failed, can still spiral out of control beyond saving (e.g., messing up Heavensfall Trio; people dying during ice phase in Nael is basically Russian Roulette on if you can power through not getting double-iced; screwing up Tenstrike Trio, missing towers during Blackfire, Titan gaols in UwU, etc.). Mechanically, you still have to know what you’re doing to pass the mechanic checks. Those are still well in tact—though toolkits do make them much easier in terms of mitigation—for example, as I mentioned before about having that extra CU for Golden Bahamut’s Ahk Morns. It still requires a decent knowledge and execution—but the DPS checks and healing checks are far easier now. A lot of the DPS checks simply don’t exist in UCoB or UwU, and it’s so easy to push phases now compared to before. Potting on certain bosses near guarantees you’ll skip their big mechanics (e.g., Nael’s Divebombs, Titan’s Merry-Go-Round pre-enrage).

I did ask around, and a friend of mine said that he recalls them saying they had to adjust outgoing damage in the Ultimates twice. The first time they adjusted it due to the job changes, so they tried to scale the damage up—but it didn’t really work as the bosses were now doing too much damage for parties to survive. So then they “nerfed” that back down. The Ultimates can still hurt—but we have so many more tools available to us that it makes them almost less of a threat now compared to when they were relevant.

I honestly wish that the Ultimates had been like the Unreals and scaled to 80 to account for the adjustments that some jobs now have at 70. SAM’s biggest weakness is that all its big hitters are post-70—so 70 SAM is just laughable by comparison. DNC also suffers a lot because the majority of its burst is post-70 as well, so 70 DNC just feels so bad to play without having things like Flourish and Saber Dance to really give it that burst (though that would probably further trivialize the damage checks in the 70 Ultimates). And the adjustments they did to NIN just made it, quite frankly, broken at level 70.

[Krojack]

Am I misreading your intent, or is your stance that healers should have zero DPS buttons?

If you read everything else you will see that my point is that healers should play more of a healing role in fights (mainly savage) and not doing DPS and then healing as more of an off role. What you quoted is me saying that it's boring to play a healing where 75% of the fight you're just pressing 1 or 2 buttons to DPS.

[ItMe]

If you read everything else you will see that my point is that healers should play more of a healing role in fights (mainly savage) and not doing DPS and then healing as more of an off role. What you quoted is me saying that it's boring to play a healing where 75% of the fight you're just pressing 1 or 2 buttons to DPS.

I read everything and couldn't tell.
Thank you for clarifying~

[Kacho_Nacho]

This thread has given me much food for thought. It should be stickied.

[Recon1o6]

This thread has given me much food for thought. It should be stickied.

There's MANY healer threads that should be stickied, a lot of this is repeat from other threads

[Deceptus]

There's MANY healer threads that should be stickied, a lot of this is repeat from other threads

And repeated over and over again in the healer forums, multiple multi page 100+ post threads with zero recognition from anyone at SE/FFXIV

[ItMe]

multi page 100+ post threads

This threads not there yet.
I'm only post #98.
Let's keep going and make this meaty everyone.

[ForteNightshade]

And repeated over and over again in the healer forums, multiple multi page 100+ post threads with zero recognition from anyone at SE/FFXIV

At this point, I suspect the reason they're so quiet is they don't know how to address healer complaints. Unlike Stormblood where you could easily point to things like White Mage's Lilies are a problem. We're pointing to their entire design concept. It just baffles me how they think healers spamming one ability for 70-90% of content is okay. Granted, they seem to blindly assume players actually need to heal.

[Payadopa]

At this point, I suspect the reason they're so quiet is they don't know how to address healer complaints. Unlike Stormblood where you could easily point to things like White Mage's Lilies are a problem. We're pointing to their entire design concept. It just baffles me how they think healers spamming one ability for 70-90% of content is okay. Granted, they seem to blindly assume players actually need to heal.

Somewhere, deep inside, I have hope they are reverting a lot of the changes that 5.0 brought minus the lilies but then again.... /sigh

....there is no hope, is there? lol