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  1. #21
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    Myrany's Avatar
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    Myrany Wilzuun
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    Miner Lv 87
    Quote Originally Posted by BlitzAceRush View Post
    At no point was I resistant to the idea, I simply pointed out everything you claim can't be done can be regardless of your level, you say you shouldn't have to downgrade yourself but that is exactly what your idea entails, regardless of weather you're telling the game. "I don't want the powerful weapons or gear you're trying to give me, I'll use these weaker ones" or "I don't want all this XP you're giving me and stat increases it would lead to, I'll stay at my weaker self." The result is you're weaker than the game tried to make you, one would require dev time no matter how small and the other you can achieve yourself in a few minutes.

    As for your other points:
    1: People expect of you regardless of level, if you're doing old content and you run into someone like that, they'll just counter with "It's old read a guide" or may simply think you're an alt, you're also acting like being new is a shield, new players get harassed over making mistakes just as much as if they think you're a veteran, so this point is moot.
    2: People expecting you to rush to endgame has no bearing on your level, you telling them. "I can't I turned off my ability to level" won't stop that, not sure what this has to do with your point, your desire to stay at a level has no bearing nor will it stop others if they want to try and rush you, I too do things at my own pace and if anyone ever told me to hurry up and get to endgame I'd just tell them no and move on.
    3: You're free to go at your own pace and I wouldn't care if they added this, I simply pointed out it has no point as all the things you claim are "ruined" or can't be done can very easily be done even if you level.

    At the end of the day, if they added this, more power to you to play how you want, however if it bothers you so much that you'd be willing to buy another account, and buy each expansion one at a time, I'm not sure why spending 5 minutes at a vendor to buy low level gear to get the same effect is so outlandish.
    You seriously just don't get it and I suspect that the real thing is that you fear any dev time being spent on it.

    I want to shut off exp at major milestone. 50/60/70 etc. I do not want to see quest markers for content that moves me on to the next xpac. I do not want to have to google every quest to see if it MIGHT be one that goes to the next xpac. I want to sit at the 50/60/70 point until I finished everything for that point not have to sort out what goes with which.

    People ARE rude. You tell them its your first time in a level 60 dungeon and they say you are 67 you are lying. Far easier to just BE 60

    In any case I strongly suspect I could not make you see my point as you do not want to see it.
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  2. #22
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    Vahlnir's Avatar
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    Elan Centauri
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    Diabolos
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    Gunbreaker Lv 100
    Well, this is a new one. Never heard anyone complain about getting too much exp before. Even so, if people want to lock their levels in place I don't see the harm in doing so. I just don't think it's worth the time and resources and I'd be willing to bet the devs feel the same. If they were to add something that allows it though I truly wouldn't care.
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    While I cannot give a specific date on when personal housing will be implemented, I can say that prices will be completely separate from free company housing, and, naturally, far more affordable.

  3. #23
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    BlitzAceRush's Avatar
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    Xeorran Kalia'shearra
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    Quote Originally Posted by Myrany View Post
    Snip.
    I see and understand your point fine, you don't seem to be willing to accept I can get your point and still disagree without it being born out of some kind of fear or desire to deny you something, as I said I wouldn't care if they added this and I do not "fear" dev time being spent on it, but I would feel it was a waste with such a small feature.
    All I did was point out how what you want exists, just not exactly how you'd want it which is fine but that's why I'm less sympathetic, not because I don't want you to have what you want, but because you can you're just not happy it's done exactly to your liking.

    I have a friend who likes to clear everything as he goes, he'd finish the MSQ and when he could see it wanted him to go to the next expansion he'd just veer off and start clearing stuff, if he ever picked up a quest for something he didn't want to do yet, he'd just drop it and move on. He was 70 (pre ShB) before he was mid way through with HW and it didn't bother him at all, he had no issue finishing everything ARR and HW and then strolling into SB at his own pace.

    You'd be willing to consider rebuying the whole games and starting over but not simply doing the few things the game provides to give you the experience you want, if this was more desired like NG+ was, then I could understand, but it's a request few seem to share and the devs have little to no reason to grant, so I pointed out how you could make it work within the confines of the current system.

    Again this means literally nothing to me, I'd not mind at all if they did add it, however it's very unlikely so I just gave an already achievable alternate.
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  4. #24
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    TheMightyMollusk's Avatar
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    Iyami Galvayra
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    Cactuar
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    Remember when we used to have to stop the MSQ to grind because we didn't have enough exp to meet a level gate?

    I'd rather not go back to that.
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  5. #25
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    Seraphor Vhinasch
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    While I don't think there's a major downside to over levelling, I kinda agree.
    They know how much EXP it takes to reach each level, they know how many quests are in the MSQ, they know how much EXP they give. There's absolutely no reason why they couldn't set the 'Road to 70' at exactly the right amount of EXP to just meet the requirements of each new MSQ duty.

    You then have the option to so side content for addition EXP to take you above the required level. Otherwise you will still hit level 70 as quickly as you possibly can, because you can't outrun the MSQ, your level and MSQ will always be neck and neck.

    They could do this, and then increase the armoury bonus, so that you still get a significant levelling boost to your secondary jobs.
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  6. #26
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    Lucien Ares
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    Brynhildr
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    Dancer Lv 80
    Quote Originally Posted by TheMightyMollusk View Post
    Remember when we used to have to stop the MSQ to grind because we didn't have enough exp to meet a level gate?

    I'd rather not go back to that.
    Ahh those days of fate farming to level up in Bluefog and Ceruleum when lvl cap was still 50 I remember those days and that one fate called Go, Go, Gorgimera no ty I don't want to go back to those days
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    Last edited by teruk; 01-15-2021 at 06:35 PM.

  7. #27
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    Crimson Solstice
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    Diabolos
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    Rogue Lv 33
    Quote Originally Posted by van_arn View Post
    OP hasn't wrapped his head around levels not mattering in this game until your MSQ is caught up.
    You clearly haven't wrapped your head around any semblance of what’s actually relevant. Which isn’t anything above lvl70.


    Quote Originally Posted by Myrany View Post
    I get it this is not how most people play games. I am not talking about changing a thing for others. Just give us an option to choose to shut off/turn on exp at will. Even if it costs gil or even real money in the store.
    Not sure what you mean by not how most people play games. Most anybody (in their right mind) who enjoys RPGs will typically be interested in much of the additional content you mentioned, if not all of it in regards to your sort of completionism. Hence, the main going reason why most people don't play FF14 and some other games that have a similar problem.

    A problem that deters most people on a constant basis. Including over and over seeing the same exact story of "I wanted to like this game, but I'm out of here goodbye." That or trying to figure out what is up with this game being so easy, before leaving. And it’s not even users seeking some hardcore play when merely avoiding something this unreasonably easy.

    Maybe you’re referring to late gamers who tend to be more vocal as 'most people'. Due to not just putting up with this design, but like it this way. Thereby, having zero regard for anything prior to low and behold - late game. Treating lower level content as nothing other than a hurdle. Maybe with some passing interest in the story and such. But no genuine interest in the actual game itself. Yet late gamers are by far not most people. This goes especially for those who apparently troll the Reddit sub and here as well.

    There should definitely never be a real money charge for turning off exp gain. Nor should you have to push an on/off button for it. The fact that you would even need to do so, implies a major problem with the design. Even without the double exp, the amount of exp given by this game at default is not even how any Final Fantasy game in history has ever functioned. While imposing double exp just completely breaks the game for anybody who isn’t trying to bypass content. Which is fine for users who want to do so.

    Yes you can start some other classes/jobs. But definitely not an option for users who are only interested in one particular class. Or maybe a few certain ones, and outright don’t want to play any other class.

    So yes, there should definitely be leeway in regards to leveling that implies doing side content as part of the leveling process. Basically, things available to do towards a goal of the next level. Getting way too much exp removes any semblance of this. It would make far more sense for to reward much less exp. Therefore, playing additional content implies exp incentive. Therefore, the incentive of exp gain from doing side content is there. Something that doesn't exist in the case of getting so overloaded with exp that you end up leveled too high for even that content.
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    Last edited by coolskill; 01-16-2021 at 12:19 AM.

  8. #28
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheMightyMollusk View Post
    Remember when we used to have to stop the MSQ to grind because we didn't have enough exp to meet a level gate?
    What? So it actually used to function in a way that makes actual logical sense? I'm not completely sure what you mean, but indeed without going overboard on being grindy, leveling up should indeed involve something known as - actually playing the game.

    Part of each level implies a goal to get to the next level. As in presuming you’re not getting way too much exp. Getting to the next level actually means playing the game. What a concept. Something many users around here don't seem to have any sort of comprehension of.

    The whole entire idea of leveling is to get to the next level. As in not just doing the main campaign. But also going for side quests and other activities. So that you're actually playing a game. Not levels being shoved down your throat for free.

    And sure enough, the problem exists on standard servers that aren't even double exp. Yet even from playing on preferred servers with double exp, anybody who is claiming this doesn't ruin the game big time must be playing some other game. Because the difference to a standard server is pretty extreme.
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  9. #29
    Player Ammokkx's Avatar
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    Khenda Chelae
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    Exodus
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    Dark Knight Lv 90
    Forgive me, but I do not think a forum account created for the specific purpose of this thread posted by a guy who's highest class is a 28 rogue is a trustworthy source of information on the topic at all.

    Either you're an alt and can't speak for new player experience, or you've barely gotten started in the game and are already complaining it sucks.

    You had the option of making your character on a different server if you wanted to avoid the XP boost and worldhop to your friends if you want to play with them. There is absolutely no excuse here.
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  10. #30
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    Auriana Redsteele
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    Zodiark
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    Paladin Lv 83
    Quote Originally Posted by GeminiReed View Post
    As an unrepentant (read enthusiastic) altoholic the Road to 70 is a godsend. Not having to worry about that inexplicable xp gaps before and after level 47 is fantastic. Leveling past the point where those stupid frogs in Mor Dhona just ignore you is worth it. Similarly the mob density of the Sea of Clouds is no longer a bother. And before somebody says "b-but mob kill xp" the paltry xp you got at level really was not worth the aggravation. Being able to unlock DNC and GNB before setting foot in HW is brilliant.
    Oh, for those leveling their umpteenth alt, the Road to 70 buff can be great. No question about that.
    For new players on the other hand, I strongly recommend staying away from Road to 70. It causes more problems than it solves for them - because it doesn't really solve any problems at all for new players.
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