Tales from Duty Finder: Some make you laugh, some make you cry. Let's vent.

[Lumivyory]

It doesn't really matter which tank takes Cerb. Sure, the typical strategy is A gets adds, B goes in belly, and C gets chains. You don't even need a tank in the belly if everyone who goes in there focuses down the wall cocoons, and there is at least one healer in there to keep people alive. The adds can be tanked by any of the tanks, and this is where the ability for on-the-fly adjustments is something all tanks need to practice. C tank could have easily just gone ahead and taken the adds rather than get into a pissing match with the other tank for Cerb's love taps.

Unknown can hit pretty hard, I personally prefer to go in the belly as B tank just in case. I've seen more than one belly wipe in just the past week >->
And A could have easily not provoked Cerberus back when they obviously saw C tank take aggro. But not only they provoked but they complained about that in alliance chat like "stand over here if you want to take aggro".

Why didn't C tank pick up the adds? Literally why does it matter that A tank is tanking the boss instead of C?

Considering that WoD is not a faceroll like CT and ST I'd rather stick to the usual strategy to make sure we don't wipe. And oh boy, I've seen plenty of wipes. In just last few days we wiped from both belly and chains on Cerb.

[micropanther7]

Had a low level run on BRD in the Sunken Temple of Quarn, with I suspect a tank/healer queing together, as AST and DRK. Both level 80 synced down, the tank doing minimal pulls (I don't mind if the tank sets the pace, but I tried doing aoe on 3+ mobs, and ended up ripping hate, this was after I waited for the tank to establish aggro), and the AST friend only giving cards either to herself or her friend. I mean is that normal in low level synced dungeons? Me nor the monk got a single card, she even put balance on herself >.< I don't main AST, so I can't comment really if that's standard practice... But when I have played AST, I try to put cards like Ewer and Spire on ranged, balance on either tank or physical melee? Everyone gets a go My AST is low level though, so not sure if that's a good practice...

[tdb]

Me nor the monk got a single card, she even put balance on herself >.< I don't main AST, so I can't comment really if that's standard practice...

No, definitely not. Cards should always go on dps, unless the dps have shown themselves to be so worthless that the healer and tank are actually doing more damage. Another exception is if the party only has one type of dps (ranged/melee) and the card is of a non-matching type. It makes more sense to put a melee card on a tank rather than a ranged dps. Ranged card on melee dps or healer is a bit of a toss-up. Melee card on healer is the worst possible choice though. Mistakes happen sometimes due to brainfarts or distractions, but it sounds like this AST was just incompetent.

[micropanther7]

No, definitely not. Cards should always go on dps, unless the dps have shown themselves to be so worthless that the healer and tank are actually doing more damage. Another exception is if the party only has one type of dps (ranged/melee) and the card is of a non-matching type. It makes more sense to put a melee card on a tank rather than a ranged dps. Ranged card on melee dps or healer is a bit of a toss-up. Melee card on healer is the worst possible choice though. Mistakes happen sometimes due to brainfarts or distractions, but it sounds like this AST was just incompetent.

Both the monk and myself, were using our full toolkit as we were able in a level 37 dungeon, so the dps was at least half-way decent Using buffs, procs, and aoe, focusing on bees because their final sting can really... sting XD (sorry I had too, couldn't resist). Thank you for your response and clarification

[hobostew]

Man that ABC strat is the dumbest thing ever. Anyone who might actually need an explanation wont know what you all even mean and if you do understand then you already know the mechs anyway. All you guys are doing is teaching people not to be adaptable which ends up causing wipes when everyone ignores the mechs because X or Y team is supposed to do them or whatever. If you see that no one is in the belly then go in and make sure it gets done. No one doing the chains? Grab the chains. Not main tanking? Grab the adds.

[Avatre]

Man that ABC strat is the dumbest thing ever. Anyone who might actually need an explanation wont know what you all even mean and if you do understand then you already know the mechs anyway. All you guys are doing is teaching people not to be adaptable which ends up causing wipes when everyone ignores the mechs because X or Y team is supposed to do them or whatever. If you see that no one is in the belly then go in and make sure it gets done. No one doing the chains? Grab the chains. Not main tanking? Grab the adds.

That's what I usually do. If I'm on DPS I will go into the belly no matter what alliance I am. If I'm a tank, I will stay outside(if not MT) and ensure the adds are contained.

Unknown can hit pretty hard, I personally prefer to go in the belly as B tank just in case.

True, it can be easier with a tank in there, but if enough DPS are there(and geared well enough) you can usually take down the walls before anyone gets in serious trouble. Last time I was in WoD, went as DNC and only 4 DPS went into the belly. Myself, a BRD, SMN, and I believe it was a MNK(I know it was melee, but not exactly sure which), all from alliance B. We didn't wipe, none of us died(BRD and I came close since we each had to tank one of those adds), but we still got it done.

[Mavrias]

Unknown can hit pretty hard, I personally prefer to go in the belly as B tank just in case. I've seen more than one belly wipe in just the past week >->
And A could have easily not provoked Cerberus back when they obviously saw C tank take aggro. But not only they provoked but they complained about that in alliance chat like "stand over here if you want to take aggro".


Considering that WoD is not a faceroll like CT and ST I'd rather stick to the usual strategy to make sure we don't wipe. And oh boy, I've seen plenty of wipes. In just last few days we wiped from both belly and chains on Cerb.

WoD is pretty face roll with only the most bare amount of attention being required. But mt thoughts on that aside, all the usual strategy does is ensure wipes by promoting rigidity.

You wiped to belly because B didn't go in and the other 16 people in the alliance didn't go in "because that's B's job." You wiped to chains because someone from C didn't go chain cerberus and the 16 other people watching his buff cast went "not my problem, that's C's job."

Just do the mechanics, your alliance letter does not matter.

[Ammokkx]

WoD is pretty face roll with only the most bare amount of attention being required. But mt thoughts on that aside, all the usual strategy does is ensure wipes by promoting rigidity.

I have wiped to every boss in every CT raid, which served to me as a humble reminder I can't consider any kind of raid braindead.

Please stop spinning the first boss for the love of-

[Rein_eon_Osborne]

Spamming the expert roulette to farm weekly revelation tomes. One of the runs thrown me into Heroes’ Gauntlet, said hello to my party which consist of...
DNC who never used any AoE besides standard & technical steps, both of which weren’t even used as often as possible.
RDM whose rotation were solely Jolt II —> Impact/Veraero II/Verthunder II. For ALL SITUATION. Few cancelled Veraero/Verthunder hardcasts here & there.
WAR who was semi panicking because—like I do—noticed how the mobs were dying super slow-mo as his cooldowns burnt & my MP was running so low despite proper Aetherflow/Lucid/Energy Drains/Ethers usage.
The run ends in 29m. I could’ve run it with trust party and would still clear it faster. That WAR bolts out of the dungeon ASAP, no farewell. I feel you, my fellow distressed player...

I have wiped to every boss in every CT raid, which served to me as a humble reminder I can\\\\'t consider any kind of raid braindead.

Please stop spinning the first boss for the love of-

Uh oh, that ominous looking eye suddenly turns to stare at you... **lazored**
Jokes aside, sometimes it does takes a wipe or two to teach people to not let a brainded content big brains their actual brain to death. Personally speaking, I’m all for a wipe if it helps people learn something.

[Cincierta]

To that sam I had during a Dohn Mheg party while on my blm alt a day ago: the next time you type in semi-gibberish, don't aoe, don't even help fight any of the mobs, eat every possible mechanic thereby stressing out the undergeared ast healer, and then attempt to kick the tank because they couldn't find Interject fast enough to your f*cking liking...your dismissal before the second boss from the party was justified. Do not bother to come back, do not bother to pass Go and collect $200, get off of sam if you're going to attack a single mob and then have two thumbs up your butthole the rest of the time.

To the ast in the same party I had: please update your weapon. A 290 globe is perilously bad for a 73 instance. Also you have other regens besides Aspected Benefic. Other than that you did fine. Don't let the sam's stupidity get to you.

To the war tank in the same party I had: don't let that sam get under your skin and give you more tankxiety. You did fine, just remember Holmgang is your friend, and it doesn't require a target.