Possible Ideas to Address Hrothgar/Viera Hat Disparity?

[Godzillaxpowerrangers]

This went from 0 to 100 real fast.

[SturmChurro]

This is true, they legit made it clear that they only added Viera to please people who have been begging for them since before HW revealed the Draggos cause this was likely the last chance to please them.
It's a choice to pander to people who just wanted to play dress up with a bun.

IMO it's clear that most times a MMO adds a new race it's more so to fill a gap in their line up and add visual diversity to their product as to attract a larger audience than they currently have. If all they wanted to do was pander to please people already playing the game all they would have to do would be ... make a 3rd Miqote clan with new faces and/ or make a Half Elezen Human that's just a Meddie with Elezen ears, new faces and emotes. It's super easy to pander to the wants of people who just want different pretty spins on basic human design for their anime waifu/ hubs, but it's not really worth the effort or room that it takes up. That's where the problem with Viera come in at, it feels like an addition that doesn't add anything new and now we have to hear everyone wanting more effort tossed their way cause they're a limited race that a ton of people converted to.



This is true, but at least it's a thing that they said and reaffirmed more than once (that they would add new hair to Viera and new manes and faces to Hrothgar). At this rate I think it may just be a 6.0 thing really, but Bozja Hroths have me thinking that it's at least closer than that.

God. I'd love a half elezen/half hyur. Like Hilda. They could look amazing.. That would be my main race. Plus it probably wouldn't be limited at all like viera..

I don't want to disappoint myself too much. i'll hope for 6.0, but if they came any sooner, I wouldn't complain..

[Yencat]

Unless you're talking about a small number of hats I think you're getting your order mixed up.

It's not a case of "They just didn't make the hat hair model :v".
It's more like "They didn't intend for these races to wear hats so they didn't make a hat hair model".

I was talking about a small number of headgear and I'm not getting my order mixed up at all, I know why they (said) they did what they did. I'm saying they cannot let just let the ears clip through additional pieces of headgear like people are suggesting because the hair would go with it. Or disappear in Hrothgar's case.

So yeah ... they decided to give Viera the freedom to customize their ears at the cost of head gear as ear customization on that scale would make it hard af to make head gear, so that's why they didn't bother making the hat hair models in the first place.

Yes, but the freedom to customize your ears at the cost of everything else is pretty worthless with only 4 options, they could've done something really unique with the ears instead since they never intended to account for hats anyway.

For example: More ears with distinct silhouettes like asymmetry with 1 lop ear and 1 straight (and then a mirrored option for taste), ears with longer fur, Fran's more rounded and speckled ears, ears going out more horizontally from the base rather than straight up or back, a very short type for people that want to RP as a Feol, maybe even some of that iconic black ornamental Viera plating you could add, remove and dye to dress up the ears a bit to match your armor.

There really didn't need to be only 4 options, with 3 of them being pretty samey, of the racial feature you really wanted to highlight and remain unhidden by hats. And lastly of course more than 8 hairstyles.

Any of these options wouldn't have completely stopped people asking for more headgear but it would have gone a long way to show they made an effort and it was at least slightly worth it, because right now it just isn't.

[SturmChurro]

I was talking about a small number of headgear and I'm not getting my order mixed up at all, I know why they (said) they did what they did. I'm saying they cannot let just let the ears clip through additional pieces of headgear like people are suggesting because the hair would go with it. Or disappear in Hrothgar's case.



Yes, but the freedom to customize your ears at the cost of everything else is pretty worthless with only 4 options, they could've done something really unique with the ears instead since they never intended to account for hats anyway.

For example: More ears with distinct silhouettes like asymmetry with 1 lop ear and 1 straight (and then a mirrored option for taste), ears with longer fur, Fran's more rounded and speckled ears, ears going out more horizontally from the base rather than straight up or back, a very short type for people that want to RP as a Feol, maybe even some of that iconic black ornamental Viera plating you could add, remove and dye to dress up the ears a bit to match your armor.

There really didn't need to be only 4 options, with 3 of them being pretty samey, of the racial feature you really wanted to highlight and remain unhidden by hats. And lastly of course more than 8 hairstyles.

Any of these options wouldn't have completely stopped people asking for more headgear but it would have gone a long way to show they made an effort and it was at least slightly worth it, because right now it just isn't.

Considering viera don't get any hats, you'd think they could have given us more ear customization options. As is they really are really light on the customization.. I know someone will probably come here and go "limitations", but if the limitations are the reason we get such limited races, then they should have tempered their vision a bit..

No headgear, tiny amount of hairstyles, limited customization.. definitely not worth it..

[Yencat]

Considering viera don't get any hats, you'd think they could have given us more ear customization options. As is they really are really light on the customization.. I know someone will probably come here and go "limitations", but if the limitations are the reason we get such limited races, then they should have tempered their vision a bit..

No headgear, tiny amount of hairstyles, limited customization.. definitely not worth it..

Unless I'm completely mistaken Viera ears in the CC fall under the same category as Miqo'te and Au Ra tails with the different types and a length slider, and Miqo'te got 8 different tail types. So yes there would have been room to give us more unique ear options in lieu of headgear even with "limitations", but instead these "highly customizable races you can really go all out on" got less.

They could still do it, but considering changing ears is Fantasia only it's still not a super appealing option for everyone to get access to customization that really should have been there at launch. But then again, this is already a reality for Hrothgar so it would be par for the course at this point.

[SturmChurro]

Unless I'm completely mistaken Viera ears in the CC fall under the same category as Miqo'te and Au Ra tails with the different types and a length slider, and Miqo'te got 8 different tail types. So yes there would have been room to give us more unique ear options in lieu of headgear even with "limitations", but instead these "highly customizable races you can really go all out on" got less.

They could still do it, but considering changing ears is Fantasia only it's still not a super appealing option for everyone to get access to customization that really should have been there at launch. But then again, this is already a reality for Hrothgar so it would be par for the course at this point.

Now that I think of it though, yeah, I was thinking of customization options for the ears in general, but you are definitely right. There does seem to be quite a lack of distinct ear options to begin with! In relation to the amount of tails a base race gets, which is an equivalent slider, viera got the short end of the stick here! ONLY FOUR options sucks!

No doubt! No free fantasia either! Well. I won't say that.. MAYBE SE will give us a single free fantasia for viera/hrothgar players during 6.0 launch. They did get to cash in on all the players using fantasias the previous two years after all..

[Lumivyory]

In order to use the Miqote head system for gear they would have to be in the same spot on the head (YP outright said that). They would also have to not have customization so that they could act like Miqote ears. They could likely make Miqote ears that are up scaled and altered some and translate that into easy to do upscales to a number of hats/ helms but they wouldn't look like what he have.

I see, didn't know Yoshi-P said that.
But then again, there is no need to use Miqo head system. Make a different system for the Viera specifically but without this whole "ears take up a headpiece slot" and stuff. Even if we don't get the holes in the headgear like Miqo'tes do for some clipping through is fine, I don't think anyone would care at this point.

Honestly, I don't even wear hats usually but it's just sad that we aren't even getting anything to compensate for it. Like stated in posts above - give us more ear options. Give us more hairstyles at least. If they don't need to fit Viera hairstyles to change with the hat on it should be even easier to make a new hairstyle for a Viera than it is for other races.

[MsMisato]

ill be honest., i could care less about head gear at this point. I just want hairstyles at this point for viera and I will advocate for the hrothgar needing more styles as well.

[Payadopa]

Delete both races.

Honestly this is the third thread today about hats for races that were announced to not have hats.

Your best option is to roll a proper race and they shouldn’t pander to people making new ones in the future because the people that beg them for stuff are never happy and will keep demanding more and more.

I'm sorry, what? lol
In what world is asking for a finished product 'demanding more and more'?

SE, being the poor indie developer that they are, wanted to present something shiny with the release of 6.0 and dropped the ball. They only have themselves to blame. I would have happily waited for 6.5 or 7.0 and get a _finished_ race.
But we never got that open, did we?

Fix it, SE.

[SturmChurro]

I'm sorry, what? lol
In what world is asking for a finished product 'demanding more and more'?

SE, being the poor indie developer that they are, wanted to present something shiny with the release of 6.0 and dropped the ball. They only have themselves to blame. I would have happily waited for 6.5 or 7.0 and get a _finished_ race.
But we never got that open, did we?

Fix it, SE.

The problem is, they consider viera/hrothgar a finished product. Pretty sure they've said so themselves. Any hairstyles that are supposedly supposed to be added after the fact would just be a bonus. God forbid we would ever get hats, I literally don't ever see that happening. Never know, but I seriously doubt it. It looks like they tried for awhile to give us more headgear that wasn't hats (circlets, etc.), but there overall design hasn't really changed, so largely viera/hrothgar are left out. As people have said, they were never supposed to have hats, so why bother? That's probably their thinking.