Possible 'official' hint to the role of the new jobs added in 6.0?

[AceofRains]

Geomancer isn't a 'compass mage', it uses bells/incensors and works by attuning to the aether of the earth below them, and uses earth/wind/water element spells. It has established lore via the Four Lords questline and the Swallows Compass.
It's too similar to WHM just without the level 61+ light magic.

It would probably work best as a caster DPS, as it could capitalise on the WHM elements unlike any other caster DPS, and use things like channelled spells and ground effects.

Chemist could have a mix mechanic and open up total freedom over the healer modalities, breaking down the shield/regen dichotomy.

How do you deny the identity of a compass mage and then describe it as that in the same thought. That’s wierd. Bedside, other jobs have elemental overlap, like Monk and Summoner overlapping Earth, Wind, and Fire. That- and GEO would likely start at 70, which would mean there is basically zero overlap with White Mage, unless level sync’d.

I should also point out that Heal/Shied dichotomy is universal. You either prevent damage or react to it- there isn’t room for much else.

The reason mixing as a gimmick doesn’t work well is because failing by a mixture in a way of Rabbit Medium would be a disaster for that healer catagory.

[Equitable_Remedy]

How do you deny the identity of a compass mage and then describe it as that in the same thought.

We can accept this identity or defy it, but we cannot deny it.

[AceofRains]

We can accept this identity or defy it, but we cannot deny it.

Deny? I am not won’t to run from my identity.

[Zied]

I just wanna see Mystic Knight/Spellblade melee dps (maybe as a dual wielder) and Chemist to break away from just magic using healer and have mixing like Mudra and such, but just my opinion.

I would love this

[AceofRains]

I could see BST with throwing weapons in the off hand, like bombs (see XII) and tomahawks, and a whip as a main hand weapon.

GEO as a healer however would be as redundant to WHM, if not moreso, than CHM to ALC.

Blacksmith is a crafter that crafts weapons, but that doesn't make Paladin and Warrior redundant to Blacksmith.
There's a difference between crafting and using, especially if using entirely different equipment. I'd imagine Chemist as a firearm wielder (mortar cannon/grenade launcher?) that aetherically imbues liquid solutions, much like GNB aetherically imbues their powder charges.

All things considered, handbombs or measures would be something I could see for a Chemist job- overall what I’m saying is I’m doubtful that will be the new healer this cycle. Comparing Paladin or Warrior to Blacksmith in the same vain as Alchemist to Chemist doesn’t make any sense- an Alchemist IS a Chemist. All Healers in this game are likely to adhere to being Disciples of Magic- a Chemist using such physical weapons and garbed in the usual white robes just doesn’t add up from a thematic perspective either.

[Spiriel_Basanda]

identity of a compass mage

It's funny to me that you use the term "compass mage" to describe GEO, mostly due to how in XI SE literally made them compass mages through use of Cardinal Chant, where they gained a different buff based on where they were standing in relation to the mob.

[Seraphor]

How do you deny the identity of a compass mage and then describe it as that in the same thought. That’s wierd. Bedside, other jobs have elemental overlap, like Monk and Summoner overlapping Earth, Wind, and Fire. That- and GEO would likely start at 70, which would mean there is basically zero overlap with White Mage, unless level sync’d.

Then you're gonna have to explain to me what a 'compass mage' is because I described an advanced conjurer tailored for DPS instead of healing.
Level sync will still exist and be a major part of the game, with a cap of 90, it would account for two thirds of the entire game.
If a Geomancer is using earth, wind and water spells, I'd really like to know how it could be any different to a conjurer. Wind spell for a dot? Earth spell for dps? Water spells for some gimmicky heals or AoEs? Doesn't that sound a little stale?

I should also point out that Heal/Shied dichotomy is universal. You either prevent damage or react to it- there isn’t room for much else.

The Shield/regen dichotomy is broken, because it restricts us to having only 3 healers. You need shields, and you need regens, therefore any fourth healer needs to be capable of doing both in case they get paired with a WHM/SCH.
Instead, you could break the dichotomy, and have all healers capable of bestowing shields AND regens, but in different ways. We're already half way there. WHM has a single target shield, SCH has a few regen skills on cooldown, just take it further.
If you follow the link in my signature, I've laid out a Chemist concept that would achieve this quite well.

The reason mixing as a gimmick doesn’t work well is because failing by a mixture in a way of Rabbit Medium would be a disaster for that healer catagory.

Then don't do that then?
'Failing' a combo is an entirely arbitrary condition unique to Ninja.
Dancer can't fail their dances.

[AceofRains]

It's funny to me that you use the term "compass mage" to describe GEO, mostly due to how in XI SE literally made them compass mages through use of Cardinal Chant, where they gained a different buff based on where they were standing in relation to the mob.

Yes. This however is not only why I call them that. It is because of what Geomancy is in real life. The practice of divination by the earth. Feng Shui. These are all elements fully established by FFXIV’s lore.

When Geomancer is mentioned to an FF fan, they usually think of FF3 or 5 where Weather and Terrain produces random effects. But that is not what a detailed Geomancer would look like in FFXIV- it would be a compass mage.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Feng_shui

[Seraphor]

Yes. This however is not only why I call them that. It is because of what Geomancy is in real life. The practice of divination by the earth. Feng Shui. These are all elements fully established by FFXIV’s lore.

When Geomancer is mentioned to an FF fan, they usually think of FF3 or 5 where Weather and Terrain produces random effects. But that is not what a detailed Geomancer would look like in FFXIV- it would be a compass mage.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Feng_shui

This sounds like it would be awful to balance and play.
Not least because it wouldn't be able to produce different buffs. With our current healer design philosophy, it would be limited to things like regens, shields, or direct heals. Or have a graduated allocation of flat damage increases.
And as a controller player, a twitch of my left stick could have me facing the opposite direction I intend to.
Then there's things like 'look away' mechanics, or the teleports in E7, that would prevent you from playing your job.

[AceofRains]

This sounds like it would be awful to balance and play.
Not least because it wouldn't be able to produce different buffs. With our current healer design philosophy, it would be limited to things like regens, shields, or direct heals. Or have a graduated allocation of flat damage increases.
And as a controller player, a twitch of my left stick could have me facing the opposite direction I intend to.
Then there's things like 'look away' mechanics, or the teleports in E7, that would prevent you from playing your job.

That’s a really lame excuse. I’m a controller player btw, hardly has anything to do with this.
The healing wouldn’t necessarily be based on directionals, but would rather be it’s gimmick no different from how a monk might move around the flanks and rear while DPSing.

Let’s not disregard the possibly on “That can’t be balanced.” Yes it can. We don’t yet know how the kit would play out. I get it, you’re super exited for a Chemist job, but there is just so much for groundwork spelled out for a Geomancer that in my personal opinion it seems more likely.