The Black Towers

[Vyrerus]

I wonder if continued exposure to the Black Tower's signal will result in mutation of people?

In the same patch, they've reminded us that exposure to Primal's aether can lead to Tempering and continued exposure will transform the person. The example used was Zurvan turning his tempered into Zurvan-egi, but we also saw this early on back in ARR where Leviathan mutated the pirates and gave them aquatic life-like features.

That was Sephirot, not Zurvan, heh.

But that's a cool direction they could take this in, though it'd mean the Tempered people would go back to the towers over and over, so I'm not sure that'll be what happens. Particularly since we just got the cure for Tempering.

[Rosenstrauch]

Struggling to remember if Pashtarot has been killed or not as well, since going by FF12 standards, that'd be the Ascian to reference Zemus/Zeromus with.

The currently deceased Ascians are Emmerololth*, Nabriales, Igeyorhm, Lahabrea, Mitron, Loghrif, Emet-Selch, and Elidibus.

Living/potentially living Ascians: Fandaniel, Halmarut, Deudalaphon, Altima, and Pashtarot. At least two of them aside from Fandaniel are still alive, based on the number of red masks Gaius was carrying. And depending on how thorough a job he did, all five of them can still be alive.

*A continuity error has her still alive after the time of her death on the Isle of Val, suggesting she may have been replaced. But since she's made zero appearances since then, nobody knows for sure.

[Vyrerus]

The currently deceased Ascians are Emmerololth*, Nabriales, Igeyorhm, Lahabrea, Mitron, Loghrif, Emet-Selch, and Elidibus.

Living/potentially living Ascians: Fandaniel, Halmarut, Deudalaphon, Altima, and Pashtarot. At least two of them aside from Fandaniel are still alive, based on the number of red masks Gaius was carrying. And depending on how thorough a job he did, all five of them can still be alive.

*A continuity error has her still alive after the time of her death on the Isle of Val, suggesting she may have been replaced. But since she's made zero appearances since then, nobody knows for sure.

Merci kupo~

[MrThinker]

The currently deceased Ascians are Emmerololth*, Nabriales, Igeyorhm, Lahabrea, Mitron, Loghrif, Emet-Selch, and Elidibus.

Living/potentially living Ascians: Fandaniel, Halmarut, Deudalaphon, Altima, and Pashtarot. At least two of them aside from Fandaniel are still alive, based on the number of red masks Gaius was carrying. And depending on how thorough a job he did, all five of them can still be alive.

*A continuity error has her still alive after the time of her death on the Isle of Val, suggesting she may have been replaced. But since she's made zero appearances since then, nobody knows for sure.

You know, out of all the Ascian overlords, Deudalaphon is the only one we do not have actually named within the game, something that used to be shared with Fandaniel until fairly recently.

[MercuryD]

The currently deceased Ascians are Emmerololth*, Nabriales, Igeyorhm, Lahabrea, Mitron, Loghrif, Emet-Selch, and Elidibus.

Living/potentially living Ascians: Fandaniel, Halmarut, Deudalaphon, Altima, and Pashtarot. At least two of them aside from Fandaniel are still alive, based on the number of red masks Gaius was carrying. And depending on how thorough a job he did, all five of them can still be alive.

*A continuity error has her still alive after the time of her death on the Isle of Val, suggesting she may have been replaced. But since she's made zero appearances since then, nobody knows for sure.

Quick note: Loghrif is still alive (See Eden's Promise)

[Lusavari]

Quick note: Loghrif is still alive (See Eden's Promise)

Spoilers for Eden.

So too technically is Mitron, as his soul was left to be reincarnated. Ardbert killed them but their souls weren't destroyed. But that's lore discussion for elsewhere as I don't get why their souls didn't retreat to the void

[TheMightyMollusk]

Spoilers for Eden.

So too technically is Mitron, as his soul was left to be reincarnated. Ardbert killed them but their souls weren't destroyed. But that's lore discussion for elsewhere as I don't get why their souls didn't retreat to the void

Ten chars......

Even if his soul reincarnates, he would still have to grow up, then be reawakened as an Ascian (which requires another Ascian to find him), before he'd be a threat. With the time bubble never progressing, he's still functionally out of the game.

[Iscah]

Quick note: Loghrif is still alive (See Eden's Promise)

Loghrif is... complicated.

I would say Loghrif the Ascian is dead, and unlikely to be raised again since the constellation stones are lost.

A raised Ascian has two elements: a mortal host (preferably with a soul shard of the original Convocation member) and their reawakened memories.

Gaia is a potential Loghrif who was ultimately not raised to that position.

[Lusavari]

Loghrif is... complicated.

I would say Loghrif the Ascian is dead, and unlikely to be raised again since the constellation stones are lost.

A raised Ascian has two elements: a mortal host (preferably with a soul shard of the original Convocation member) and their reawakened memories.

Gaia is a potential Loghrif who was ultimately not raised to that position.

Ten Characters

But she is aware of herself.

[Rosenstrauch]

RE: Schrodinger's Ascian, Loghrif

What makes the Loghrif situation so interesting to me is how the character herself handles it. Much like the WoL, Gaia is well aware of whom she used to be, and more or less acknowledges that as her past. But while she accepts this, it doesn't define her future going forward. Much like her forgotten childhood. And though she still wields the power of Darkness, it's no longer used in service to Zodiark, but for her own heroic ends.

But yes, she's technically alive. I don't count her among the living Ascians, though, on account of her no longer being one.