Are all BTN stupid or is it just on my server?

[ItMe]

Then they should do that off the market board. They are ‘helping’ one player by hindering everyone else.

I don't understand why that's so terrible.
If a market crashes it's not like your character starves or suffers in any way.
As long as you're still making a profit (in a game without good gil sinks) why is it so bad? Especially since lower prices are better for the average player?

[Ftail]

Sometimes, I price the item way lower then it should be so people undercut me and I purposely crash the price of an item used to make stuff I want.

[Ammokkx]

And there’s absolutely a reason that those items should be 8k... which is that the items being made with them are selling for 1 million plus.

Yeah, no, this is a bad argument.

Why are the items crafter by it so expensive? Because they use expensive materials, one would wonder. Just look at Stormblood savage weaponry like Tsukuyomi's set consistently selling for a solid 2-3 mil because the material only drops from a trial where you need to put effort into obtaining it. Even then, said material is often sold for more than the actual weaponry crafted with it, because the player themselves can choose what to put it to. In that sense, actually, the material is worth more than the weapon.

Turn that around and, if there is such a huge pricegap between material and weapon (even 8k compared to 1mil) then you'd assume the material you're talking about, in question, is super easy to obtain in comparison. Really, it's almost a non-factor to the price of the crafted item at the end. A really valuable material will often cost around the same as the items you craft with it, and if not, then said material barely affects its pricerange. Unless, of course, the item is composed of rather cheap materials... which would also mean it sells cheaply on the MB.

So an item selling for 1 mil doesn't automatically mean all its crafting components should be that expensive as well. If anything, the components being so cheap should show you're better off going to get it yourself rather than buying it at all to begin with, unless it's a bargain bin price like 500 gil.

[ItMe]

Sometimes, I price the item way lower then it should be so people undercut me and I purposely crash the price of an item used to make stuff I want.

Oh that's brilliant.

[Bright-Flower]

As more and more crafters start making the new gear, that leads to more competition to sell. Which means lower prices. People aren't going to line up and 'wait their turn' to sell something, there's no crafter union to enforce price regulations.

And the people who are willing to spend millions of gil on a single piece to get their day one raiding gear are going to dwindle quickly. Once the savage raiders get what they want, most casuals aren't going to be able or won't want to spend that much on the gear because they don't need it asap to hop into savage progression.

Throw bots into the mix flooding the economy with materials, and it's really no surprise.

[Vickii]

Yeah, no, this is a bad argument.

Why are the items crafter by it so expensive? Because they use expensive materials, one would wonder.

Again economics degree. And nope, they’re expensive because people want them for savage raiding and it’s the start of the patch. The crafting material at 8k is a fraction of the 1 million plus and most crafters can get the materials themselves. Also the mats are now 500g but the item is still 1 million.

Your opening argument is wrong so there’s no point going further.

[Ammokkx]

Your opening argument is wrong so there’s no point going further.

Wrongly worded, maybe, but the intent was to show how an item could get expensive. It wasn't me ruling out it as being the only way, nor was it me judging about this specific instance (since, gonna be real with you, I still don't know nor don't care about which items exactly we're on about. I'm talking about this in concept. In concept, one item's value doesn't strictly mean it should trickle over into another item's value.)

Speaking of...

They’re expensive because people want them for savage raiding and it’s the start of the patch.

That's a very good reason for an item being expensive! Shame it has to do with what's being crafted, though, and not the materials used to craft it. In fact, this is even more of a reason to separate the two prices. Sure, the people selling the crafting mats might be able to get away with pricing it higher... but in the end, this has no effect on the value of the item crafted at the end of the process. People selling for 1mil could even be gathering it themselves, who knows? Especially if it's such an easy-to-obtain resource that people can bot the everloving daylights out of it (from what I've gathered in this thread).

Cheap crafting mats being sold for cheap prices... who knew.

[Vickii]

Wrongly worded, maybe, but the intent was to show how an item could get expensive. It wasn't me ruling out it as being the only way, nor was it me judging about this specific instance (since, gonna be real with you, I still don't know nor don't care about which items exactly we're on about. I'm talking about this in concept. In concept, one item's value doesn't strictly mean it should trickle over into another item's value.)

Speaking of...



That's a very good reason for an item being expensive! Shame it has to do with what's being crafted, though, and not the materials used to craft it. In fact, this is even more of a reason to separate the two prices. Sure, the people selling the crafting mats might be able to get away with pricing it higher... but in the end, this has no effect on the value of the item crafted at the end of the process. People selling for 1mil could even be gathering it themselves, who knows? Especially if it's such an easy-to-obtain resource that people can bot the everloving daylights out of it (from what I've gathered in this thread).

Cheap crafting mats being sold for cheap prices... who knew.

It’s a once in a while spawn that requires Max level, decent gear level for HQ and a book in order to get it. The amount of effort to get to where you can pick it exceeds the effort of picking it sure, but if people were sensible we could all benefit. Most other servers are selling it at thousands still and I doubt we have a bigger bot problem than anywhere else.

Same as how gardenia fruits (bought from tokens) are 7k on my realm and 11k on all the others in the dataserver. We have idiots, not bots. People think they’re clever by flooding the market at low prices but they end up making nowhere near what they could and stop everyone else from doing so too. It isn’t clever or a win, it’s stupid, nothing more nothing less

[ACE135]

Time has value and is not that hard to calculate gil per hour from different activities. So yes, selling at a loss is a thing because "opportunity cost" is also a thing.

There are people who enjoy gathering and crafting and by doing that they have enough value out of their time. Everything else is bonus. They do it for their enjoyment and don't have to earn money in their free time.

[tdb]

It’s a once in a while spawn that requires Max level, decent gear level for HQ and a book in order to get it.

I don't know if you craft but it's so easy now that HQ mats don't actually matter. I will rather take more mats with pick clean, especially if it's a +2 attempts node. The end result will be HQ anyway. I don't even have anywhere near maximum possible melds, and some of my DoH classes still have facet primary tools.