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  1. #121
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    Quote Originally Posted by linayar View Post
    Competition doesn't matter for a casual content and group conflict is the group's issue, not the game. If there are people who are ready day 1, there is no reason to make them wait because other people can't find a group that they can work a schedule with, and seeing as how it's casual content, they can take their time finding a group that will be accommodating to their interest.
    Still, almost everybody wants to do the new content the same day it pops, so a delay on Savage would erase the extra stress that some members would have. It's called empathy.

    This person gave a very valid point, and I recommend you to re-read it until you understand it:

    Quote Originally Posted by Wyakin View Post
    People take time off work to join in the raid. Being part of a raid team means you’re accountable for not wasting their time as much as not wasting your own. A delay is a positive thing like countless people have said, it allows people to make sure they’re using and actually enjoying the content the devs have spent time to make. That’s not to mention time allowed to sort out crafting, prep for raids etc etc. Arguing against a delay “cos you don’t like it” isn’t a valid argument at all


    Quote Originally Posted by RyuDragnier View Post
    I'm fully convinced they're a troll at this point. Don't acknowledge them anymore, don't talk to them anymore, put them on ignore.
    I hope this message is not about me D: I'm talking seriously
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  2. #122
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    Quote Originally Posted by ChocoFeru View Post
    Still, almost everybody wants to do the new content the same day it pops, so a delay on Savage would erase the extra stress that some members would have. It's called empathy.
    Empathy goes both ways. This is a game, so it's not like either side is in the right. It's about preference.

    This person gave a very valid point, and I recommend you to re-read it until you understand it:
    That person made a point that I understand, but I disagree with their point. People do have a responsibility to their group, but that's why you find a group that has the same expectations and goals. If people want to enjoy content, they shouldn't be made to feel guilty as if they're wasting people's time when they're just enjoying what the game gives them.

    It's one thing if the group wants to raid, but one member insists they have to do the MSQ first. That would be wrong for that person and where the accountability comes in. But if people do want to raid, but some want to watch cutscenes for the normal version, that should be acceptable. And if it's not, then it's just not the right group.
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  3. #123
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    I honestly think the world first race would be a lot more interesting if it kicked off with everyone fully prepared after a free week prior because there's a fairly significant timesink in preparing the new crafted gear/food before jumping in, so teams that can offload that responsibility to others while they rush into attempting savage naturally have an advantage.
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    Quote Originally Posted by KageTokage View Post
    I honestly think the world first race would be a lot more interesting if it kicked off with everyone fully prepared after a free week prior because there's a fairly significant timesink in preparing the new crafted gear/food before jumping in, so teams that can offload that responsibility to others while they rush into attempting savage naturally have an advantage.
    That's assuming they won't also delay new crafted gear/food/potion/tomestone.
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  5. #125
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    Quote Originally Posted by KageTokage View Post
    I honestly think the world first race would be a lot more interesting if it kicked off with everyone fully prepared after a free week prior because there's a fairly significant timesink in preparing the new crafted gear/food before jumping in, so teams that can offload that responsibility to others while they rush into attempting savage naturally have an advantage.
    Yeah, every world-first attempter would have the same chances vs the big teams that craft stuff for them while they raid. The more competition the better!
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  6. #126
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    Quote Originally Posted by linayar View Post
    That's assuming they won't also delay new crafted gear/food/potion/tomestone.
    Even if they did, let’s imagine they did delay the tomestone and crafted items. It at least allows people to play the content leisurely. Do the three separate stories (yes three) and the trial and the normal mode raid. That’s a lot of content people don’t want to skip because one or two people are impatient
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  7. #127
    Player RyuDragnier's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by ChocoFeru View Post
    I hope this message is not about me D: I'm talking seriously
    Oh that wasn't about you, but about Iinayar.
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  8. #128
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    Quote Originally Posted by linayar View Post
    Empathy goes both ways. This is a game, so it's not like either side is in the right. It's about preference.
    Not if one way makes the other one impossible, skipping every bit of story and let msq aside is done and you might get spoiled or miss stuff, even if you later rewatch everything possible later on...

    If you release savage a week later everyone would have a more even startingpoint, id even say we could delay the ex trial as well, but i gues that would be too much. Heck if you have to delay the tome as well, we got so many weeks, nothing is lost if we just slow down a bit.

    Even more bonus, savage players who dont care for story dont need to log during the patchdays and can do stuff later, having less stress on the servers on release...
    Crafted gear would even out more, no 4 mill sells on the first 1-2 days followed by a dump to 700k lol
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  9. #129
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wyakin View Post
    Even if they did, let’s imagine they did delay the tomestone and crafted items. It at least allows people to play the content leisurely. Do the three separate stories (yes three) and the trial and the normal mode raid. That’s a lot of content people don’t want to skip because one or two people are impatient
    If they did delay those as well, why run the new dungeon more than 1st time, the gear is outdated, no new tomestones to get, minion? Just wait a week and try and get it while capping. This also dimishes the hunts a little since most do hunt trains to either get materia or cap, normal raids become flooded as the best place to do anything to progress your character's ilv for lowest difficulty, Extreme would feel mandatory to everyone for 1st week since it would have the best piece of equipment in that week which may cause a chain effect down the line to make Extremes even easier(we love to moan after all ).

    Delaying savage I have no issues with, it is delaying tomestones that I am against, it affects far more people negatively (forced to stay subbed 1 week longer, lowers value of new content) than those who raid would be benefited from both delayed.
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  10. #130
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    It's important to remember it's not just about hardcore World first racers. That week 1 experience where everyone is blind and figuring it out and it's new and exciting only happens once, then it's gone and over for the entire tier. Sure you can try to make blind run groups but it's just not the same, if they even fill in the first place. The guides exist, it's no longer new and it's more intentionally putting a handicap on yourself to try and create something resembling that feeling.

    It's not about statics putting pressure either, it's about wanting to be there with your static week one and ready to go, so you'll sacrifice MSQ or Normal mode such for that. But the sacrifice needn't be necessary.

    Quote Originally Posted by linayar View Post
    That's assuming they won't also delay new crafted gear/food/potion/tomestone.
    Doesn't really matter, at least you got to enjoy the MSQ, EX trial and Normal mode.
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