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  1. #21
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    Raita Komaru
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    Quote Originally Posted by SturmChurro View Post
    If you'd rather do the story for a full week (still don't know how people are taking that long) then that's the price you pay.

    I love how you think you're talking in behalf of people that are affected by Savage coming at the same time as the rest of the patch, when the people that actually get affected (HC and World Prog mainly) say how they'd be fine with at least a one week delay. But sure keep saying it's about the story.
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    Khit Amariyo
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    Quote Originally Posted by RyuDragnier View Post
    Adding onto this for something I just remembered, MNK is getting changed up this patch. That would also give MNK mains a full week to get a new opener and rotations figured out before savage prog officially starts, allowing them to actually go in full power rather than stumble through trying to figure out how to best do MNK now.
    Exactly. And it's not like this is the only patch where jobs have been reconfigured or re-tuned. Usually not to the degree MNK apparently is, granted, but still.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Packetdancer
    The healer main's struggle for pants is both real, and unending. Be strong, sister. #GiveUsMorePants2k20 #HealersNotRevealers #RandomOtherSleepDeprivedHashtagsHere
    I aim to make my posts engaging and entertaining, even when you might not agree with me. And failing that, I'll just be very, VERY wordy.

  3. #23
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    Jira Dal'riata
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    Of course, All those people AFK in Limsa with full Eden Choir gear need somthing to do after 6 months
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    Whatever you do, just don't delay new tomestone releases. That's all I care about.
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    Jyn Willowsong
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    Eh, I'd be fine with a one week delay going forward. Just not this time specifically because there's been like a three month delay this time around. They should delay the new tomestones as well if they're going to delay the savage mode, though.
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    Kara Dusksinger
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    Yeah, think normal mode with patch release then savage a week later sounds more then reasonable.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Reinhardt_Azureheim View Post
    Furthermore, you can't just say "just pace yourself and wait a week" because that is literally not how the race for the world-first clear works. This is a competition people are willing to invest a lot of time in, but unlike Ultimate that has a guaranteed 2-week delay so everyone can start at the same time without being hindered by preparations and the like you have to basically go all-out as soon as you log in. People even schedule free time from work a month or more ahead just to do this.
    To be fair, the world-first clear "competition" is not part of the actual game. So you basically want the game's schedule to change to fit some people's preferred way of playing it rather than playing the game when and as it fits their schedule.

    And fair enough if the devs are willing to accommodate, but it's not something that should necessarily be a given.

    Either way, again, I hope they don't delay tomestone, which I fear they will if they do this, likely along with crafted gear.
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  8. #28
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    Quote Originally Posted by SturmChurro View Post
    Yet your supposed side are the ones who cannot seem to continue a conversation without personal insults.
    Yet there's plenty of replies here of that side illustrating the benefits and their side of the argument without resorting to insults, which you haven't replied to.
    The only downside to delaying savage for a week is 'but I have to wait', whereas the other side has people from all levels of skill & play mentioning all the benefits a delay would bring for them. Empirically, you're in the minority here, and the number of pros far outweighs the single con here, hence why Yoshi-P and the dev team are seriously considering it now.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MariaArvana View Post
    Yet there's plenty of replies here of that side illustrating the benefits and their side of the argument without resorting to insults, which you haven't replied to.
    The only downside to delaying savage for a week is 'but I have to wait', whereas the other side has people from all levels of skill & play mentioning all the benefits a delay would bring for them. Empirically, you're in the minority here, and the number of pros far outweighs the single con here, hence why Yoshi-P and the dev team are seriously considering it now.
    Well, one downside is people who are willing to schedule a week off work to do both story quests and savage raiding now has to take two weeks off instead.

    Whereas the only con I can see is related to a race that is not part of the game. Otherwise, the waiting game can apply to both sides.
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  10. #30
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    Quote Originally Posted by linayar View Post
    To be fair, the world-first clear "competition" is not part of the actual game. So you basically want the game's schedule to change to fit some people's preferred way of playing it rather than playing the game when and as it fits their schedule.

    And fair enough if the devs are willing to accommodate, but it's not something that should necessarily be a given.

    Either way, again, I hope they don't delay tomestone, which I fear they will if they do this, likely along with crafted gear.
    You are right that this competition isn't officially built into the game, but it is a tradition this community has adopted for a long time now and the devs have acknowledged it to the point where Naoki Yoshida even watches the livestreams himself to see how far everyone is coming along. You could consider it to be pretty much a fully established tradition at this point.

    However, I agree that tomestones and by extension Crafted gear shouldn't be delayed - delaying Crafted gear + materials literally would defeat the point of the 1-week delay to begin with. Obtaining crafted gear shouldn't be part of the race, player skill, identifying mechanics and developing strategies should be.

    Quote Originally Posted by linayar View Post
    Well, one downside is people who are willing to schedule a week off work to do both story quests and savage raiding now has to take two weeks off instead.

    Whereas the only con I can see is related to a race that is not part of the game. Otherwise, the waiting game can apply to both sides.
    Ehhh...? I don't think so really, if you got a week of time you got good time in the evening to do MSQ, prep mats / gear, do a couple of EX runs even without having a week off.
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