Tales from Duty Finder: Some make you laugh, some make you cry. Let's vent.

[Eien713]

Is Mentor Roulette programmed to gather the worst players or something? I swear, the runs I get in that roulette are always the worst compared to any other roulette. People simply don't know how to play the game. At high levels, some mistakes are unforgivable. I really understand why some mentors leave right away or after multiple wipes (though I still won't do it myself). It's just not worth it sometimes. And to be honest, mentors get a lot of shit from others, but when you try being one, you get to see why they're bitter at times. No matter how patient you are, there are things that you shouldn't have to put up with. I mean, for the love of God, stacking when you're marked and should get away from others (more than once and after being told not to), staying put when you have a stack mark instead of trying to at least run toward the others (more than once), seeing the same simple mechanics over and over yet still doing them wrong, tanks who don't know how to do their job, people queuing blind for extreme Trials (for many later fights, explaining mechanics via text is pointless and tedious), and the list goes on and on and on. People just expect to get carried when they don't even make an effort to learn the basics. I'm now convinced a lot of people who bash mentors either didn't try being in their shoes and living the horrors of being a mentor, or were actually among the bad players who had worn the mentors' patience thin.

P.S. Before someone says I shouldn't be a mentor if I don't want to go through this, my answer is simple: I'm doing it for the mount and nothing else. But despite this, I still try my best to do my job properly and be as patient as I can. But mentors are also human. Their patience wears thin and they have bad days too. This is not to say there aren't bad mentors. There definitely are. But try to cut mentors some slack from time to time.

[Ursa_Vonfiebryd]

Is Mentor Roulette programmed to gather the worst players or something? I swear, the runs I get in that roulette are always the worst compared to any other roulette. People simply don't know how to play the game. At high levels, some mistakes are unforgivable. I really understand why some mentors leave right away or after multiple wipes (though I still won't do it myself). It's just not worth it sometimes. And to be honest, mentors get a lot of shit from others, but when you try being one, you get to see why they're bitter at times. No matter how patient you are, there are things that you shouldn't have to put up with. I mean, for the love of God, stacking when you're marked (more than once and after being told not to), staying put when you have a stack mark instead of trying to at least run toward the others (more than once), seeing the same simple mechanics over and over yet still doing them wrong, tanks who don't know how to do their jobs, and the list goes on and on and on. People just expect to get carried when they don't even make an effort to learn the basics. I'm now convinced a lot of people who bash mentors either didn't try being in their shoes or were actually among the bad players who had worn the mentors' patience thin.

I met all the prerequisites for being a Mentor right before Stormblood came out and decided to go for it. Then I saw the travesty of the Novice network and realized that mentor roulette had synced Extremes and promptly threw my crown in the trash. I knew that I wouldn't have the patience for it. Explaining mechs in casual level stuff is frustrating enough. But that's what the Mentor role is supposed to be. So...

If you're not prepared to have that kind of patience then perhaps it's not for you, though that doesn't seem to be stopping anyone else.

[Eien713]

If you're not prepared to have that kind of patience then perhaps it's not for you, though that doesn't seem to be stopping anyone else.

I guess you missed the part where I clearly said why I was doing the roulette. I humbly consider myself one of the most patient mentors out there. I take the time to explain mechanics; I try not to lose my patience that easily; I never leave a duty no matter how much I hate the content the roulette hands me or how bad the party is (even when I won't get a penalty for it); I make PFs to unsync trials for newbies when we don't manage to clear an ex trial after time is up; when I know I won't get a penalty, I leave the instance to come back as tank or healer (when it takes too long to get one) even though I know it won't count toward my achievement just so people can clear the content. This is what maddens me about people. They assume mentors shouldn't be mentors and aren't doing a good job without even actually having an idea of the situation and what this person or that has done as a mentor. People automatically assume mentors are assholes. You could have an impeccable record, but then that one time your patience wears thin or you're having a bad day, people come at you and insult you by saying you're not worthy of being a mentor -.-

[Frizze]

I'm now convinced a lot of people who bash mentors either didn't try being in their shoes and living the horrors of being a mentor, or were actually among the bad players who had worn the mentors' patience thin.

Im not going to contradict anything you said(in either post). Some people are horrible and blaming a mentor is a way to not take the blame personally. The one bad interaction that player2418 had with a random mentor was because they were having a bad day, and not that they arent doing their best. There is some content that legit probly shouldnt be run with a random party via duty finder, and plugging mentors into the missing holes doesnt change the fact that the content wasnt design for that. Everything you said is true. There are also bad mentors out there, because two things can both be true. Novice network is unusable on some servers because the mentors there make it so. There are mentors who would rather kick a sprout to leave a run without penalty then do certain pieces of content. The stereotype about some mentors only wanting the crown next to their name because they think it makes them special? Its based on real people. All mentors? Oh god no, not even close. But some.

[pastperfect]

Before someone says I shouldn't be a mentor if I don't want to go through this

You're always going to get the people that say that, but those people are also not mentors, or have done very little mentor roulettes. You can ignore those people because, despite your reasoning, YOU are the one filling the queues, while THEY sit on their butts and talk about their RL problems in NN. If you don't want to waste an hour or more trying to teach archaic fights that no one will run synced after the first time; sometimes because they don't know PF exists, then don't feel like you have to!

Extreme trials are that - EXTREME content - in which people were expected to know how their job worked and a decent rotation to boot. Unfortunately, the game does not communicate that and many new players just see the quest and want to get it out of their journal. I saw a suggestion once that there should be a pop-up akin to the one we get before going into Bozja but here we are.

[astercantus]

just finished a levelling roulette in Snowcloak. A sorta funny moment happened at the last boss where the you have to hide behind ice pillars, otherwise he stuns you + takes out a good 75% of your health. The party dashes to hide, I notice the sprout in the group still attacking the boss in the open, obviously not aware of this specific mechanic. A big brain moment occurs to me and I use Rescue to pull them in...except it happens 1 second too late and the stun + health chunk happens even after I pull them in. Worse still, the fight is scripted so that an AOE appears right under the ice pillar, which the rest of the party can escape easily except for the stunned sprout who is super close to death. I panic and Bene the sprout, thankfully allowing them to survive the AOE. Nonetheless it occurs to me that it might have seemed like I was pulling the sprout into the AOE or messing with them in some way

To the sprout bard that was in Snowcloak today...I was NOT intentionally trying to kill you!!!

[Rein_eon_Osborne]

just finished a levelling roulette in Snowcloak. A sorta funny moment happened at the last boss where the you have to hide behind ice pillars, otherwise he stuns you + takes out a good 75% of your health. The party dashes to hide, I notice the sprout in the group still attacking the boss in the open, obviously not aware of this specific mechanic. A big brain moment occurs to me and I use Rescue to pull them in...except it happens 1 second too late and the stun + health chunk happens even after I pull them in. Worse still, the fight is scripted so that an AOE appears right under the ice pillar, which the rest of the party can escape easily except for the stunned sprout who is super close to death. I panic and Bene the sprout, thankfully allowing them to survive the AOE. Nonetheless it occurs to me that it might have seemed like I was pulling the sprout into the AOE or messing with them in some way

To the sprout bard that was in Snowcloak today...I was NOT intentionally trying to kill you!!!

I really wish the delay from the usage and the actual displacement is not -that- long. I have come to the point where the only time I will use Rescue is when I already prepared myself to actually use it (i.e. before a mechanic that I knew players are more likely to screw up/forgot) rather than using it reactively. More than often the miscalculation of the delay still resulted in hilarious deaths. Seeing a corpse flying across one-third of the arena at LotA last boss is unsurprisingly very common sight.

[BokoToloko]

Got Leviathan on roulette as a tank. 1 wipe. It's not a lot but the fact that it just happened once is already weird. The reason: nobody touched the Elemental Conversor.

[Ilenya]

Got Leviathan on roulette as a tank. 1 wipe. It's not a lot but the fact that it just happened once is already weird. The reason: nobody touched the Elemental Conversor.

I've noticed that a lot of people have issues remembering the difference between when to press for Levi HM and Levi Ex, since Levi Ex has Divebombs before needing to press it, so they hesitate...Then die.

[Tlamila]

Got Leviathan on roulette as a tank. 1 wipe. It's not a lot but the fact that it just happened once is already weird. The reason: nobody touched the Elemental Conversor.

I see wipes there pretty often as most people can't get the timing right. I personally enver know for sure when to use it so I always let someone else do it.