FF14 is not made for hardcore players.

[linayar]

I understand this, I'm just tired of them constantly dumbing the game down. The game has always debateably been incredibly easy even in savage content, but since the start of shadowbringers they just feel the need to dumb it down even further to the point where a monkey could play the jobs and it's kind of annoying.

I feel like there's something wrong with your mindset when you're comparing the skill level of a player to a monkey (or a toddler). It's arguably said in jest, though depending on the mood of the speaker, one can never be sure.

Do you feel like it helps making your point come through rather than hinder it? Because it seems like you're just setting up strawman for the other side to attack, which won't help your case.

[MilitaryVet123]

I understand this, I'm just tired of them constantly dumbing the game down. The game has always debateably been incredibly easy even in savage content, but since the start of shadowbringers they just feel the need to dumb it down even further to the point where a monkey could play the jobs and it's kind of annoying.

It's not very nice to describe more casual players as "monkeys". And I am sure that there are still optional challenges you can pursue, like the Ultimate fights.

[Lyvi]

I did not read this whole thread , but I have to disagree with the headline "Is not made for hardcore players".
Looking at how the game is designed right now, even with how Shadowbringers has made many things easier than Stormblood, I'd generally say this game is for everyone who wants to play it.
There is many things to enjoy for all kinds of playstyles, be it more casual in roulettes, hunts or such things, as well as savage and ultimate raids for the higher ends. You are not forced to do any of it and can leisurely go about your day without missing anything, or sink hours into grinding/farming/raiding, if so you choose. In this regard, this game makes itself openly accesible to many groups of players.
I agree with the design choice of making things easy to be picked up - and thus being accessible - as well as there being a skill ceiling that you can strive for, if you want to.
Generally it is always a good idea to play to your best capabilities if you are more casual, as well as not putting Ultimate expectations into a group if you are more hardcore.
The general problem - as in many things these days - is many, many people just being too overly focused on what they themselves want, in complete disregard that there is a couple more people that have to deal with it. And the lack of understand for others will inevitably cause shouting at each other, and trolls being fed outside their feeding time at 13:37 o'clock

[Endariel]

Just to be sure,
Hardcore players are those who clean Ultimates within a week of their release
Or those who are able to press GCD every 2.5 seconds with some occasional OGCDs here and there?

[Magnedeus]

I understand this, I'm just tired of them constantly dumbing the game down. The game has always debateably been incredibly easy even in savage content,

I mean people were complaining that savage
fights didn't have enough mechanics and yoshi p delivered and players are still whining about it. Would you like him to add double or triple the mechanics in a savage fight? The fight would be much longer, but it wouldn't be boring.

[Ravenblade1979]

Reading the headline made me laugh. All I read was "I don't like how the game is so I will complain about it".

Its basically suck it up. More then just you play the game. Want the experience you look for go play dark souls

[Ayuhra]

I understand this, I'm just tired of them constantly dumbing the game down. The game has always debateably been incredibly easy even in savage content, but since the start of shadowbringers they just feel the need to dumb it down even further to the point where a monkey could play the jobs and it's kind of annoying.

I have mentioned this in other threads but I'll say it again here...

I think FFXIV's issue is being extremely unintuitive. Some rotations are long only for the sake of being long vs being fun. Some boss encounters are mechanically dense but don't allow much room for in the moment counter-play and only really allow pattern memorization.

UIs need to be set up by players and some may be better at that than others.

Controller players sometimes need to look up guides not just for good crossbar layouts but for how to target.

With some unintuitive design and encounters that seem to be more pattern than anything we end up with a game that has a fairly normal skill ceiling but a very high skill floor.

Are you good at recognizing and memorizing patterns? Have you done this encounter before? Is your UI good? You will be probably be fine.

Are you using the default UI? Is this your first time doing the encounter or are you not so good at patterns and better at counter play? You may struggle.

[Magnedeus]

"I don't like how the game is so I will complain about it"

That's actually how a lot people feel right now. I keep seeing posts about

"Healing is awful right now"

Or

"Fix X's dps"

Or

"X's is too squishy"

Or

"This game is too casual Friendly" (Yoshi p wanted the game to be for casual players)

9 times out of 10 those people are just complaining for the sake of complaining. If you don't like the state of the game then go play a different game or play another job. Because it seems like a lot of people don't know how to adapt to change, and instead of adapting all I see is complaining. Deal with it or play something else, simple as that.

[HeulGDarian]

chill lad , its no use getting angry about the forums just sit back and watch the show.

[linayar]

I have mentioned this in other threads but I'll say it again here...

I think FFXIV's issue is being extremely unintuitive. Some rotations are long only for the sake of being long vs being fun. Some boss encounters are mechanically dense but don't allow much room for in the moment counter-play and only really allow pattern memorization.

UIs need to be set up by players and some may be better at that than others.

Controller players sometimes need to look up guides not just for good crossbar layouts but for how to target.

With some unintuitive design and encounters that seem to be more pattern than anything we end up with a game that has a fairly normal skill ceiling but a very high skill floor.

Are you good at recognizing and memorizing patterns? Have you done this encounter before? Is your UI good? You will be probably be fine.

Are you using the default UI? Is this your first time doing the encounter or are you not so good at patterns and better at counter play? You may struggle.

I would disagree with job rotations being "extremely" unintuitive. I think if people would read the tooltips and not be in a rush to just start battling, most would be able to figure out a decent rotation. Long rotation doesn't mean unintuitive, and fun is subjective and does not necessarily correlate with the length of the rotation. After all, if the fight is long enough, hitting 11111 and hitting 12345 are the same number of presses.

That said, I'm always in favor of less unique buttons, not for intuition's sake, but for convenience's sake, but not make the buttons change too much in midfight like in PVP.

Pattern is also a simple way to make people learn about a fight. The problem isn't the pattern, it's that you sometimes need to read the tooltips for buffs and debuffs or NPC/enemy text to understand what the mechanic is or what to do unless you already have someone who knows and can tell you. So, here, I would say it can be unintuitive if you don't read all the information about the fight.