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  1. #29421
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    ThatOneDiviner's Avatar
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    Gridania
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    Scarlet Varlineau
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    Famfrit
    Main Class
    White Mage Lv 100
    Was farming adventurer in need bonus for gil a few days ago.

    Did it for about five hours before making what I needed. In that time I saw

    -4 people yeeted off of the Titan HM platform/killed after missing successive mechanics, leaving me to solo heal, our tank to solo tank, and two DPS alive. One comm for solo healing that last half of that fight. :') Sorry I wasn't willing to blow 2.4k mana x4 to rez everyone who died.
    -Black mage dodging to the center of Aurum Vale's first room and mass pulling everything instead of hugging the wall, as requested by both the tank and I after our first wipe. Take a guess as to what wiped us both times. He rage quit after the first boss and honestly I've never been more relieved to see a replacement party member join.
    -Tank in level 57-65 gear. In Titania trial. That is all.
    -Undergeared, mob spinning (but no boss spinning at least :/), pops all CDs at once, no Bolide macro, single pulling tank in Bardam's. Who then yelled at me for not healing him after I had popped literally every single one of my OGCDs, all of the Lilies I had in store, a regen, and a Cure II or two on them. Like, at what point do I get to DPS? Stuff was dying at an equivalent rate of a regular pull sized dungeon, meaning each trash pack took about half the time it would normally take to kill because single pulling. It wasn't the DPSs fault. I was trying to use Holy as much as I could but holy f--- I can't do that all that much if the tank's just getting chunked for a quarter of their health every GCD. I don't mind Shire gear on DPS in that dungeon but ffs, if you're going in as a tank or healer make sure you're up to date on gear. Gearing for Bardam's is important because it hits like a truck and the defensive stat jump is ridiculous. At the very least please dear god replace the weapon, pants, and top with higher ilvl gear.

    Salty because I got Benememed twice after trying to play tank limbo and forgetting that some DF tanks hate it when you do that.

    On the upside - was farming Heroes Gauntlet with a friend for the glam gear. Got a tank that saved her during the rubble stack mechanic because she was on low health and just outside of my heal range. He popped TBN for her and we both let out a collective sigh of relief.

    We also had another Heroes Gauntlet run with a newbie that had me laughing. Everything goes fine up until the final boss. New player stops, mid-one-shot-mechanic to type "This boss is cool!" and I had to watch them get wrecked in slow-mo as myself, my friend, and the tank climb into the ditch. Later in chat all I see is a "" and I burst out laughing in voice to my friend. At least I was able to get them rezzed and healed up, and the fight went fine from there on out. My friend died at the literal last millisecond so I was dancing on her corpse when the newbie exited their cutscenes. It was great.

    Didn't get the robe drop I wanted but that can wait a bit more.
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    Last edited by ThatOneDiviner; 11-13-2020 at 05:45 PM. Reason: brain forgot the titania trial to protect me

  2. #29422
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    GeminiReed's Avatar
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    Alys Isshu
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    Malboro
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    Summoner Lv 61
    Quote Originally Posted by ThatOneDiviner View Post
    -4 people yeeted off of the Titan HM platform/killed after missing successive mechanics, leaving me to solo heal, our tank to solo tank, and two DPS alive. ... Sorry I wasn't willing to blow 2.4k mana x4 to rez everyone who died.
    Pretty sure that one's a permadeath so even if you wanted to you could not.
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  3. #29423
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    Rein_eon_Osborne's Avatar
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    Mira Clearweaver
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    Jenova
    Main Class
    Conjurer Lv 90
    Queued more Puppet's Bunker today 'cause... I can. I just love the raid. Probably trying my luck with the 2B minion as well, but I didn't get any. Oh well... 3 runs, I rolled with all different healers with their own stories, here goes:

    1st run, as a WHM
    Pretty decent run. Everything were perfect except for some reason the 3rd boss 'meteor pads' goes off in full force and as far as I can remember, the only ones that made out alive were all tanks and myself (foreseen that failure, Divine Benison'ed myself even though I wasn't sure if that's gonna save me or not). Everybody else were dead. LB3'd to recover whole group and later on managed to res the other group's healer. We made it! One of the best feeling I ever had from today runs.

    2nd run, as a SCH
    Co-healer (WHM) claims to be inexperienced with healing so I tread with caution. At least everybody else are doing their job pretty well. Nobody died. I did not get much chance to heal however because my co-healer semi-panic heals every time. Heck yeah green dps time!

    3rd run, as an AST (noct)
    The worst of all 3 runs, and probably one of the worst bunker run I ever had. To start off, my co-healer (AST) is a first timer.
    "Again?" I thought.. one more run where I had to tread cautiously.
    That time, I was really grateful I didn't decide to slack off. For that, I'd like to have few words with my party members:
    - DRK: she makes healers' lives easier. I love you.
    - DNC & BLM (1): I knew you two were trying your best, thank you very much. I'm sorry to see you getting cleaved by others' mistakes. We healers tried our best to keep you alive
    - RDM: Easily my favorite. Like two former mates, I'm very sorry Shoutout to you to try to help rezzing while keeping a wonderful uptime!
    - SAM: Oh boi... one of those 'uptime meme SAM'. They're real. This one refuses to place burning puddle away from the group. He stuck himself on the boss' a** even though he had the marker! Not to mention 8 out of 10 time he would sit next to the boss for his precious uptime when there's obviously avoidable damage incoming!
    - BLM (2): Just when I thought it won't get any worse, this... a player with all-80 classes and a mentor icon turned on, who also DID NOT KNOW what are line-up and stack-up marker . At the quest to try to run away from the laser blast, he murdered another alliance group. In the midst of us healers' effort trying to res those dead healers, my co-healer also died.
    "Compound 2P Boss?" You asked? Yeah... that player got the stack up marker and RAN AWAY from the group. I tried my best to think what's positive from this player, but at that point I thought... "How...are you -that- bad!? HOW??". If any, at least thanks to him now I know how BLM's LB3 looks like. (yeah, he used LB3 right before a disaster hits.... great...)
    I've pretty much given up trying to top up both the meme SAM and BLM (2).
    - AST: Lastly, my co-healer. I hope that first time experience won't scare you away from the raid. I gave you my comm for trying your best to keep up with the mistakes our party made.

    I wish I can comm the RDM, DRK, DNC and BLM (1) too, but alas only one can be given.
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    Last edited by Rein_eon_Osborne; 11-14-2020 at 12:19 PM. Reason: minor typo and grammars

    "Outside obvious jokes/sarcasm, I aim to convey my words to the future readers who may come across mine posts. Can I change -your- mind, somehow? Potentially... but that's not why I'm writing. You and I have wrote our piece(s). We don't necessarily need to change each other's mind. But we can change other's."

  4. #29424
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    BelegErkhten's Avatar
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    Beleg Erkhten
    World
    Diabolos
    Main Class
    Warrior Lv 100
    All in the span of today:
    My Alliance Raid Roulette included a Lv 70 Dragoon wearing 3 pieces of Scaevan Gear and everything else was NQ ARR Gathering gear. Someone was very clearly afraid that they would have to actually play the game so they forced us all to play Labyrinth of the Ancients instead.
    My MSQ Roulette had a LV 72 Dragoon who forgot how to Jump (Or do anything beyond using True, Vorpal and Full Thrust) I was incredibly unhappy about being forced to carry him.
    And I lost every game of Mahjong I played.
    I rate today a 4/10
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  5. #29425
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    ThatOneDiviner's Avatar
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    Scarlet Varlineau
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    Famfrit
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    White Mage Lv 100
    Yeah. I think only one person got actually yeeted, but the other three got hit by WotL and then the bombs in quick succession, so they died. Could have rezzed them but the second I tried to rez my cohealer they got hit by something and went down again and honestly after that I was at around 5k mana without Swiftcast and barely maintaining with Lucid, so focusing on keeping people up was higher priority than rezzing.
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  6. #29426
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    LogicHatesMe's Avatar
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    Lunaru Naru
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    Lich
    Main Class
    Miner Lv 90
    I think as a Healer (which I'm not) it can be difficult to decide who (or even if) to res at times.

    I was doing a run of the Great Gubal Library last night as BLM (for life), and my rotation was on point, the other DPS was a RDM. I screwed up my placement on the final boss and went down about 1/3 into the fight. RDM went down as well, Healer brought the RDM back, Healer didn't res me, which is fine, RDM has heals too so it's probably safer right? I just cheered on the team. Team wiped.

    We come back, same thing happens, 1/3 in the RDM goes down, only this time I avoid the damage. Boss melts in no time cause my DPS was on point.

    It's not a slight at the Healer for not rezzing me instead of the RDM the first time, but if he had, we wouldn't have wiped. Just something I guess the healer has to consider, but probably doesn't overly much.
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  7. #29427
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    NanaWiloh's Avatar
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    Nana Wiloh
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    Lamia
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    Astrologian Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by LogicHatesMe View Post
    I think as a Healer (which I'm not) it can be difficult to decide who (or even if) to res at times.

    I was doing a run of the Great Gubal Library last night as BLM (for life), and my rotation was on point, the other DPS was a RDM. I screwed up my placement on the final boss and went down about 1/3 into the fight. RDM went down as well, Healer brought the RDM back, Healer didn't res me, which is fine, RDM has heals too so it's probably safer right? I just cheered on the team. Team wiped.

    We come back, same thing happens, 1/3 in the RDM goes down, only this time I avoid the damage. Boss melts in no time cause my DPS was on point.

    It's not a slight at the Healer for not rezzing me instead of the RDM the first time, but if he had, we wouldn't have wiped. Just something I guess the healer has to consider, but probably doesn't overly much.
    Rezzing the RDM for the heals was a wise choice but leaving for you dead, no that was a mistake without question. There are other factors that the healer has to take in when making the choice on which of their dead party members to rez. I've been playing healer since I started and Ill admit even I dont always make the best choice on who to rez.
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    Last edited by NanaWiloh; 11-14-2020 at 06:11 PM.

  8. #29428
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    TheMightyMollusk's Avatar
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    Iyami Galvayra
    World
    Cactuar
    Main Class
    Red Mage Lv 100
    When it comes to rezzing red mages, I think a lot of people expect them to then raise the next person, without realizing that red mages can't raise until level 64. Anything earlier than Susano or Shisui of the Violet Tides, they lose it to level sync. I know I've gotten yelled at about it before in Heavensward dungeons.
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  9. #29429
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    Rein_eon_Osborne's Avatar
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    Mira Clearweaver
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    Jenova
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    Conjurer Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by LogicHatesMe View Post
    Healers hard decision
    The only time (exceptions always exists) that healer should ‘reasonably’ leave you dead are if:
    - You were doing lower than average dps (or really terrible, i.e. ice blm). No, you were fine there.
    - You were failing certain mechanics over and over that it costs them their precious MP. No, you just failed once there. Perfect performance shouldn’t be an expectation while going into runs with randoms, but there are certain degree of acceptable performance. One failure is hardly reasonable to not rez you.
    - For whatever reasons, the tank is hemorrhaging so much it’s hard to keep them alive.

    In my opinion it’s a bad choice to leave you dead at first engagement. Not to mention gubal’s last boss’ mechanic actually requires living members to seal the adds pads. Leaving you dead just makes that job harder for the party.

    Decently performing healer should not have any trouble to recover through at least 3-4 rezzes in any regular 4-man dungeons before running into MP problem. Although there’s also a sliver of chance that the healer thinks by rezzing the RDM, they could help rezzing you. There are quite decent number of players that do not realize RDMs only learns their Verraise at lv64.

    Of course it was just a speculation from my side. Hopefully your other runs are great!
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  10. #29430
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    LogicHatesMe's Avatar
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    Lunaru Naru
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    Lich
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    Miner Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by Rein_eon_Osborne View Post
    The only time (exceptions always exists) that healer should ‘reasonably’ leave you dead are if:
    - You were doing lower than average dps (or really terrible, i.e. ice blm). No, you were fine there.
    - You were failing certain mechanics over and over that it costs them their precious MP. No, you just failed once there. Perfect performance shouldn’t be an expectation while going into runs with randoms, but there are certain degree of acceptable performance. One failure is hardly reasonable to not rez you.
    - For whatever reasons, the tank is hemorrhaging so much it’s hard to keep them alive.

    In my opinion it’s a bad choice to leave you dead at first engagement. Not to mention gubal’s last boss’ mechanic actually requires living members to seal the adds pads. Leaving you dead just makes that job harder for the party.

    Decently performing healer should not have any trouble to recover through at least 3-4 rezzes in any regular 4-man dungeons before running into MP problem. Although there’s also a sliver of chance that the healer thinks by rezzing the RDM, they could help rezzing you. There are quite decent number of players that do not realize RDMs only learns their Verraise at lv64.

    Of course it was just a speculation from my side. Hopefully your other runs are great!
    Most other runs I don't run into any issues like this, if I do tank the floor the Healer is usually quick to get me back up.

    I didn't realize RDM only learned it at 64, that could well explain it. A lot of people that run higher level content tend to forget these things when they get pushed down to lower level stuff. Also I've seen these strange mythical ice BLM's.. make me want to faceplant. Also the ones that seem to think Enochian is a buff you only use once on bosses, but perhaps that's just a lack of knowledge on their part, I tend to read up on the spells i'm in line to learn, and how they fit into my rotation, but some people just read the description briefly and wing it. In regards to Enochian, I always consider it a mini-challenge in dungeon runs to keep it up the entire time I'm in there (damn cut scenes and loading zones don't permit that sometimes though)
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