Do you want healers to be reworked from the ground up?

[Veis_Alveare]

Maybe I don't remember it right, but if you have Dissipation activated, don't the Aetherflow actions not give no faerie gauge during it?
The faerie gauge isn't really great, but that's just another flaw of SCH gameplay.
Either way, I don't really like Dissipation because it doesn't have good synergy with the other SCH mechanics, and of course because of the faerie ghosting issues and how clunky it is to use.

Also, if something is more of a DPS CD it rarely gets used otherwise. I'd rather have DPS and healing CDs separately. That's why I suggested that during Dissipation you can use a free AF heal or something like that, and in return have something else for a DPS CD.

I think dissipation has gotten more attractive as the passive fairy heals (specifically embrace but even the tether) have gotten less potent. If you pay attention Embrace is actually pretty weak at 80 by now and so dissipating the fairy isn't losing you much unless you need WD/FI and can't access them.

I look at Dissipation as kind of an alternative to Seraph - it's another thing to use while I have WD and FI on CD.

As to a preference for dps and healing CDs to be separate I dunno I kinda like the integration but I understand it's down to personal preference.

Dissipation makes a really great healing CD when you're going to need big heals too. You can dissipate for a chunky Adlo which is then spreadable and also effected by Recitation or even as an emergency thing dissipate into an ET/Reci succor + indom for damn near a full party heal depending on crits. It's usually overkill and not something you plan for but those are just some of the cool saves I've seen my cohealer pull off during prog when I went and got myself killed. I have nothing so flexible on AST/WHM and it's definitely something I'm jealous for. Closest I come is like... PoM+Plenary chained Cure3s? It's a lot less impressive.

Edit: Also you totally are correct no gauge during dissipation.

[Limonia]

Dissipation definitely got a lot better with the faerie automatically returning after it and since its low potency heals. It's still not very fun to use the way the faerie is programmed. It probably doesn't have to be reworked completely, but still tweaked at least a little. I mean it's a buggy DPS CD with the extra side-effect of being a heal CD during prog. In all other scenarios than prog (or similar) it's just 3 Energy Drains in between Whispering Dawn. For example, Assize might still top up some DPS if they're not full. But Dissipation's healing effect often goes to waste completely when there are no healing GCDs necessary - which happens really often as SCH. And even if they changed it to also buff oGCD heals, you can't use all your free ones during it because the faerie isn't there.

[Mortex]

Dissipation definitely got a lot better with the faerie automatically returning after it and since its low potency heals. It's still not very fun to use the way the faerie is programmed. It probably doesn't have to be reworked completely, but still tweaked at least a little. I mean it's a buggy DPS CD with the extra side-effect of being a heal CD during prog. In all other scenarios than prog (or similar) it's just 3 Energy Drains in between Whispering Dawn. For example, Assize might still top up some DPS if they're not full. But Dissipation's healing effect often goes to waste completely when there are no healing GCDs necessary - which happens really often as SCH. And even if they changed it to also buff oGCD heals, you can't use all your free ones during it because the faerie isn't there.

I think it’s more or less because the fairy is in general a piece of shi..... too use in this addon. Like ghosting, not having the option too target anyone you want with embrace and being forced to use the fairy abilities yourself. It’s like in so many ways a step back it’s insane and then Seraph as the big max lvl ability with ghosting feels so bad and again clunky as hell.

[AnotherPerson]

I really think as they try to move away from the shield/HoT dichotomy we should probably toss Deployment and Emergency tactics, just because SCH having abilities to deliberately interact with it's shields will have people still thinking of it as a shield healer even though that hasn't been it's identity for a long time.

Emergency Tactics could just be an instant aoe GCD heal on a fairly short CD that is the same healing potency as ET+Succor right now with a similar MP cost. A tiny bit like Rapture but still distinct in the case of it being on a CD (so not spammable) and with a hefty MP cost to compensate for it's greater healing. It'd be handy and used by less experienced SCHs much more.

People also use ET Adlo too. ET changing to an AoE shield doesn't replace ET Adlo, which is pretty useful when SCH is forced to Adlo spam because all the other healing skills are on CD to keep the tank alive and one of the adlos crit.

Maybe I don't remember it right, but if you have Dissipation activated, don't the Aetherflow actions not give no faerie gauge during it?
The faerie gauge isn't really great, but that's just another flaw of SCH gameplay.
Either way, I don't really like Dissipation because it doesn't have good synergy with the other SCH mechanics, and of course because of the faerie ghosting issues and how clunky it is to use.

When dissipation is activated, Aetherflow actions give no faerie gauge. While Dissipation certainly gotten better since it resummons the faerie immediately when the duration is expired, Faerie gauge skills and regular faerie skills are also not usable during dissipation which is a huge demerit depending on how Dissipation is used because if Dissipation is used for an unexpected emergency healing situation, SCH essentially gimped the rest of their healing ability for the next 30 seconds to prevent the incoming 5 second wipe and only has adlo/succor (heavy MP expensive spells) in order to try to recover from the situation after. This pretty much locks Dissipation into a DPS skill as SCH gets more healing tools via the faerie since using it would actually be hurting their healing output in the long run while the faerie is gone instead of helping it.

[Limonia]

Faerie gauge skills and regular faerie skills are also not usable during dissipation which is a huge demerit depending on how Dissipation is used because if Dissipation is used for an unexpected emergency healing situation, SCH essentially gimped the rest of their healing ability for the next 30 seconds to prevent the incoming 5 second wipe and only has adlo/succor (heavy MP expensive spells) in order to try to recover from the situation after. This pretty much locks Dissipation into a DPS skill as SCH gets more healing tools via the faerie since using it would actually be hurting their healing output in the long run while the faerie is gone instead of helping it.

This is what I meant with that Dissipation is designed weirdly. Why even have the healing magic buff on it if it's a) just 3 Energy Drains outside of progression, b) locks you out of almost all of your "viable" healing actions, c) healing magic buffs suck compared to healing actions buff, and d) it's way too buggy. In the end it's a really buggy DPS CD which locks you out of most of your heals, which can also - but shouldn't - be used for Lustrates and Succors. It's just a strange ability. It's not the worst, it's usable, but feels weird to use.

[Veis_Alveare]

People also use ET Adlo too. ET changing to an AoE shield doesn't replace ET Adlo, which is pretty useful when SCH is forced to Adlo spam because all the other healing skills are on CD to keep the tank alive and one of the adlos crit.

You don't really need ET adlo though. The only situations that will really force ST healing like that are resolving LD solo (fairly infrequent and technically doable with Physic) and large trash pulls with poor mitigation/dps where you've been reduced to GCD heal spam. In the latter you might ET Adlo once but the general rule of thumb is to alternate Physic and Adlo.

[Thoosa]

The problem is that occasional ogcd healing is boring and spamming one dps button in between rare incoming aoe damage is also very boring and pressing an ogcd heal occasionally and spamming glare has very little skill.

The only time healing becomes interesting is when people die, or when you have to think about mechanics that show up that you have to adhere to, just before big damage occurs, meaning you have to plan ahead a bit. Also randomness in fights in terms of mechanics and damage make healing interesting to, like WOL trial.

I can’t see them being able to redesign healers without redesigning fights, and I doubt any existing fights will be changed, but there’s an opportunity to change the design of future fights.

They could also nerf dps spells and that will probably stop the glare spamming tunnel vision healer. However instead they’ll probably just stand around doing nothing, so they’d have to counter that by handing out more aoe damage more often which some may find equally as boring, but at least healers would have an identity in this instance as in, healer job is actually a healer, rather than a dps with some healing spells and is green, instead of red.

[Thoosa]

Also, forgot to say. Healing was also more interesting when you had to manage your MP more, so you couldn’t just spam dps spells and heals to your hearts content, without ever worrying about running out of mp.

[Semirhage]

They could also nerf dps spells and that will probably stop the glare spamming tunnel vision healer. However instead they’ll probably just stand around doing nothing, so they’d have to counter that by handing out more aoe damage more often which some may find equally as boring, but at least healers would have an identity in this instance as in, healer job is actually a healer, rather than a dps with some healing spells and is green, instead of red.

In the equally as boring camp here. I'd rather not play the role that arbitrarily takes 20 minutes to solo anything with my 10 potency spam spell in exchange for being a True And Honest Real Princess Healer.

[Limonia]

They could also nerf dps spells and that will probably stop the glare spamming tunnel vision healer. However instead they’ll probably just stand around doing nothing, so they’d have to counter that by handing out more aoe damage more often which some may find equally as boring, but at least healers would have an identity in this instance as in, healer job is actually a healer, rather than a dps with some healing spells and is green, instead of red.

Can you really tunnel vision if you just automatically press one button like every 2.3 seconds without even having to think about it?

Handing out more AoE damage would be welcomed because it would interrupt Glare/Broil/Malefic spam more often.

But "at least healers would identify as actual healers"? The problem isn't that healers in this game do DPS, it's actually never been. It's only some players who prefer just filling HP bars because they know it from some other games. The actual problem is that when you get better as a healer, playing one gets more and more boring, because less GCD heals are required and since we only have one DPS spam button left there's nothing else to do but press it over and over. Not the fact that we do DPS when heals aren't needed. Having to heal more than an occasional oGCD plus a little more engaging DPS options would help here, not making it even more boring.

Sorry if this text sounds harsh or so, I'm just bad at expressing myself properly sometimes. ^^'