Quote Originally Posted by Jojoya View Post
You don't understand people very well if you think "raising the floor" is going to get them to decide to improve.

Not everyone is here to be personally challenged playing a video game. Most are just here to relax and have fun. If they wanted to be a better player, they would already be working at it.
I'm assuming you didn't read the post?

The very concept I'm talking about here is how to raise up the bottom performers, it isn't just a vague topic about "make stuff harder, people need a challenge" but rather "how do we make people want to try" which... has nothing to do with what you posted?

As to your claims about knowing what "most" people are here for they're just unsupported by any evidence and will be ignored. You don't know the potential motivation of the greater playerbase any more than any of us does.

When it comes to me not understanding people - yes, that's something else I touched on already. I don't understand the laziness exhibited by some or how they rationalize wasting the time of others. It's gross.

Quote Originally Posted by Seddrinth View Post
The only way you get people to improve is to officially allow parsers/fflogs and to make it so that you won't be punished if you call people out for poor performance in pf/df.
I just didn't see the point in even really suggesting something as cut and dry as parsing. Like, would it definitely motivate some people even if they weren't able to be "shamed" for doing poorly? Of course. But SE has come out rather strongly against it and somewhat recently as well.

Quote Originally Posted by Kleeya View Post
I totally fail to see how this is gonna work with people answering "you don't pay my sub", ignoring you, not caring of what you say, having the chat disabled, etc. You might even end up being the one kicked out of the group if they have enough votes for that because they were with another underperforming friend XD
I've already been kicked for the crime of competence, specially for "dpsing too much" as a healer in Mt. Gulg. No one died btw.

Can confirm when bads have the majority they don't seem to hesitate to use it.