Bard is support right?

[LeonKeyh]

Hmm well let’s see. Astro can give itself cards and dancer can increase its own dps with standard and technical step. Bard however can’t receive its own buffs at all. So next time you try to come for me make sure you have your facts straight. Have a nice day.

You have a fairly loose definition of facts... Where did I say that Astro and Dancer can't give themselves buffs? Nowhere. You do you though guy.

[Wyakin]

Foes, charges in empy/BL, these are two things that need adding to start and resolve bard

[SweetPete]

You have a fairly loose definition of facts... Where did I say that Astro and Dancer can't give themselves buffs? Nowhere. You do you though guy.

I said what I said and I stand by it. Have a nice day. Guy.

[SweetPete]

Foes, charges in empy/BL, these are two things that need adding to start and resolve bard

I agree with you. Also the song potencies need to be buffed and they should affect the bard as well.

[Veloran]

BRD's songs really should work on themselves. I think part of the issue with BRD's party buffs is that they're sort of ill-balanced for group content in a way that tends to just make it better to bring a DNC most of the time. Maybe increase the DPS buff for DPS somewhat while having healers and tanks be affected differently? Like having an MP regen or vuln down buff applied instead. I don't know, something to diversify their utility a bit while still allowing their damage to be raised without it being overly imbalancing.

[SweetPete]

BRD's songs really should work on themselves. I think part of the issue with BRD's party buffs is that they're sort of ill-balanced for group content in a way that tends to just make it better to bring a DNC most of the time. Maybe increase the DPS buff for DPS somewhat while having healers and tanks be affected differently? Like having an MP regen or vuln down buff applied instead. I don't know, something to diversify their utility a bit while still allowing their damage to be raised without it being overly imbalancing.

I really like this idea. I don’t want dancer and bard having the same type of party buffs. A friend of mines told me that bard song buffs are so low because they buff the entire party 100% of the time while dancer only buffs their dance partner 100% of the time while only having technical step for the entire party every 2 minutes. I mean I understand that but bard songs potencies are just way to low. They should bring back mp regen for bard and like you said just unique buffs to make it stand out from dancer.

[Wyakin]

I don’t really care how SE addresses the ranged conundrum. As long as the overall dps of all three is increased by 3%

[Reinhardt_Azureheim]

Burst god? It has the lowest average 30s opener of all 3 physrange while simultaneously having the lowest possible 30s burst due entirely to RNG. That alone tells me you have no idea how Bard works.

My apologies then, at least to my gut feeling Wanderer's Minuet feels as fine as ever since Stormblood. Frankly speaking I didn't base it on any data, so I'm glad you correct me there.

However, based on a single side-jabbed comment to just say "you have no idea how bard works" is pretty disingeniuous. I didn't spend the majority of my playtime in savage on it, but I get the idea and have played it on occasion. At best I felt like making a joke, at worst my perception of how impactful BRD's is a tad twisted.

But apart from that, my point still stands - BRD's songs give everyone small buffs while doing something bigger for BRD via Pitch Perfect / Bloodletter / haste procs. Sure, giving BRD access to these party buffs as well may give BRD the dps boost it needs, but wouldn't potency changes accross the board or related to song procs do the same?

I think the SE balance team is hesitant to just straight up give BRD its' own buffs sincethat means they need to take into account these buffs into future calculations. So at least based on my gut feeling they will sooner boost potencies.

[SweetPete]

My apologies then, at least to my gut feeling Wanderer's Minuet feels as fine as ever since Stormblood. Frankly speaking I didn't base it on any data, so I'm glad you correct me there.

However, based on a single side-jabbed comment to just say "you have no idea how bard works" is pretty disingeniuous. I didn't spend the majority of my playtime in savage on it, but I get the idea and have played it on occasion. At best I felt like making a joke, at worst my perception of how impactful BRD's is a tad twisted.

But apart from that, my point still stands - BRD's songs give everyone small buffs while doing something bigger for BRD via Pitch Perfect / Bloodletter / haste procs. Sure, giving BRD access to these party buffs as well may give BRD the dps boost it needs, but wouldn't potency changes accross the board or related to song procs do the same?

I think the SE balance team is hesitant to just straight up give BRD its' own buffs sincethat means they need to take into account these buffs into future calculations. So at least based on my gut feeling they will sooner boost potencies.

I’m specifically talking about support that bard gives. It sucks. Dancer is killing it in the support department. Dancer has a heal, 100% uptime on dps, a 5% dps increase for the entire party every 2 minutes as well as Crit and direct hit buff to their partner every 2 minutes. Bard just sucks and if procs aren’t on your side when you sing then it’s even more worthless. Square needs to take bard to the drawing board and give us a healthy amount of support and dps 50/50 like dancer. Right now bard is like 80% dps and 20% horrible support. That’s not good at all.

[Reinhardt_Azureheim]

I’m specifically talking about support that bard gives. It sucks. Dancer is killing it in the support department. Dancer has a heal, 100% uptime on dps, a 5% dps increase for the entire party every 2 minutes as well as Crit and direct hit buff to their partner every 2 minutes. Bard just sucks and if procs aren’t on your side when you sing then it’s even more worthless. Square needs to take bard to the drawing board and give us a healthy amount of support and dps 50/50 like dancer. Right now bard is like 80% dps and 20% horrible support. That’s not good at all.

Technically BRD has a few "equivalents" to support skills of DNC, but I admit - Minne isn't nearly as impactful as Curing Waltz, Technical Step feels like a second Trick Attack compared to Battle Voice and the buff windows are at least reliable and aligning with other buffs better than BRD songs.

Perhaps personally I dont take issue with it being like 80/20 mix, but I get where you are coming from.

Technically BRD's support kit isn't bad, but it feels outdated.