A PoC Scion please? There is so much untapped potential here.

[Iscah]

Code words:
Divide? Why would dark skin characters divide anyone?
Integrate? They wouldn't need to integrate, they would just be a character in the game.

I'm not saying that dark-skinned characters should divide people. I'm saying the opposite.

I'm saying that I dislike the idea (that your post seems to describe to me) of thinking of dividing your audience into "dark-skinned people" and "other people" and calculating that you need to appeal to these as separate audiences with different tastes and that the dark-skinned character exists to appeal to one of those groups, not just to be a character that appeals to the collected audience who incidentally happens to be dark-skinned.

I'm not saying "don't add them". I'm saying "they shouldn't be added just to market to a particular group". Make a character that everyone will like because they're a character. Do it naturally.

A dark-skinned character shouldn't be introduced "for the dark-skinned audience". They should just be introduced. And in an ideal world, nobody would find that remarkable or political.

[Nothv13]

This is the same government telling you that dying in a car crash is a corona death. I would not use government numbers; they have proven time and again to rarely tell the truth when it comes to numbers. As for the second part of your statement, if millions of potential customers aren't worth it then I don't know what to tell you. I do know which population is shrinking due to suicides and opioids though; we can go into that at length.

Actually those number are independently verrified.

That's not what tokenism is.
Tokenism has to do with adding 1 character that's different and stopping there. When adding multiple in a natural way that's no longer tokenism.

Actually it can be adding as many as they desire for the sake of being different. Which is exactly what these cries for "muh representation" end up getting

Second time stating this, while that's true for you, for me Raubhan being dark skin enhances his character in the game.

Then I consider you a shallow person, obsesses with your race.

Not scientifically correct, melanin has more function than just on the skin, I encourage you to do research on it.
Secondly, while you make it about about race, those of us see it as them appealing to our tastes. When I see a boring pizza from a restaurant and I suggest to them to add one with more flavor, that's not something to be sickened about, it's something good for them to contemplate. It's all about tastes, many people have different ones.

I'm well aware of melanin, but that melanin doesn't define you. Those who see race as such a big influence on what they like are all shallow. BTW, that boring pizza at a resturaunt is typically there because it sells. That more fancy pizza you want them to add likely isn't added because it doesn't sell, if the owner/chef has any concept of what demographic they are serving.

Sports ratings could be dropping because of many factors: suicides, opioids, corona virus, loss of jobs. The mlb and hockey for example have been experiencing lower viewership than the NBA and NFL; you really have to put sports into context before you blame and entire race. At this point I'm not surprised at your attempts though.

NBA has said it, their focus on those things have been a large reason.

And that's the issue at hand, some of you see the dynamic in the way that those like me don't see it as.
Adding more dark skin characters like Raubhan is adding more of what appeals to us. It has nothing to do with no quota or anything; the more dark skin characters the better.

No adding more good characters is what is needed, not different colors for the sake of having different colors. The focus on color is being shallow.

[Yencat]

I'm not saying that dark-skinned characters should divide people. I'm saying the opposite.

I'm saying that I dislike the idea (that your post seems to describe to me) of thinking of dividing your audience into "dark-skinned people" and "other people" and calculating that you need to appeal to these as separate audiences with different tastes and that the dark-skinned character exists to appeal to one of those groups, not just to be a character that appeals to the collected audience who incidentally happens to be dark-skinned.

I'm not saying "don't add them". I'm saying "they shouldn't be added just to market to a particular group". Make a character that everyone will like because they're a character. Do it naturally.

A dark-skinned character shouldn't be introduced "for the dark-skinned audience". They should just be introduced. And in an ideal world, nobody would find that remarkable or political.

Sounds like you're both saying the same thing really. They don't need to make a big hullabaloo about the character's skin colour, just introduce them like they would any other character and everyone can enjoy them if they're well written.

But honestly, even if they did add more brown or black characters just because people ask for it I don't see the harm really, this game already shamelessly panders to so many requests and groups of people, why would this suddenly be a worse kind of pandering? There's no way of knowing unless they came out and said it anyway.

[Stormfur]

Do you guys remember when they added the New World gear? The native-inspired headdress and clothing?

People. Lost. Their. Minds.

They were saying that it was an affront to native peoples, that the headdresses and feathers had certain symbolism and putting it as a "costume" in game was derogatory. Nevermind the fact that we're talking about a fantasy world with some pieces inspired by real life. Nevermind that you get a freaking Haka from bird people and other totally incongruent things.

I feel like there should be more variety of skin tones and such in the game, but don't just put them in there because right now it's the "woke" thing to do. Do it because it makes sense for the questline or the character. I think after that whole headdress fiasco they're probably thinking they should stay as far away from it as possible.

[WhiteArchmage]

Thankyou for the backup on the map discussion, but I need to nitpick terminology.

That line is the Equator, so called because it divides the globe into equal halves.

Ecuador derives its name from being on the Equator, but the line is not named after it.

Ah, sorry. In Spanish we call it the Ecuador, guess I got lost in translation.

[Yencat]

I feel like there should be more variety of skin tones and such in the game, but don't just put them in there because right now it's the "woke" thing to do. Do it because it makes sense for the questline or the character.

When does it "make sense" for a character to be black (or anything else, really) then? They just are. Unless they do something random like change an existing character then a non-white character doesn't need any more of a special introduction or reason to be there than any other character.

[Amnmaat]

Yencat
Under these people's scenarios there is no way of adding a dark skin character. I mean I did give them an opportunity to explain how they could and they dodge the question. To make it more intrinsic they make the asanine assertion that adding dark skin characters is pandering to real life dark skin people while ignoring that other people can have that preference as well. Or am I wrong? If I am wrong then light skin characters only appeal to RL light skin people?
Instead of hiding behind soft anti dark skin "hatred" (as described by some people here, that's their first emotion) you can come out and just say you don't want to see dark skin characters. From there the conversation has more meaningful value instead of hiding behind windows.

Actually those number are independently verrified.

You say they are, I say they're not.

Actually it can be adding as many as they desire for the sake of being different. Which is exactly what these cries for "muh representation" end up getting

Incorrect on both statements, it just seems that way to you because you don't know the definition of the word.

Then I consider you a shallow person, obsesses with your race.

Speaking about yourself?

I'm well aware of melanin, but that melanin doesn't define you. Those who see race as such a big influence on what they like are all shallow. BTW, that boring pizza at a resturaunt is typically there because it sells. That more fancy pizza you want them to add likely isn't added because it doesn't sell, if the owner/chef has any concept of what demographic they are serving.

That's not correct, in most situations it's because they're not aware that a better product can be made by taking their customer's input into account. I'm going to use your favorite subject, sports. At first most sports leagues thought that an all white sports league would make them the most profit, then when they added Black players that product (sports) became 10 times better. The leagues that didn't such as the hockey league on the other hand.

NBA has said it, their focus on those things have been a large reason.

That's not an independent source; last I heard there was a global pandemic, opioid pandemic, and job losses, and a 20% (gotta reverify the %) of people in the united states have cut satellite/cable TV. You trying to blame an entire race for a drop in viewership says more about what kind of person you are more than anything.

No adding more good characters is what is needed, not different colors for the sake of having different colors. The focus on color is being shallow.

Again, you keep projecting your shallow view about skin color on me. Just because you don't like dark skin doesn't mean others don't as well. No one said "for the sake of" so you're already lying right off the bat.

I'm not saying that dark-skinned characters should divide people. I'm saying the opposite.

I'm saying that I dislike the idea (that your post seems to describe to me) of thinking of dividing your audience into "dark-skinned people" and "other people" and calculating that you need to appeal to these as separate audiences with different tastes and that the dark-skinned character exists to appeal to one of those groups, not just to be a character that appeals to the collected audience who incidentally happens to be dark-skinned.

That's not what I'm saying. What you're saying is that adding dark skin people only appeals to dark skin people, it's just natural that it would appeal more to RL dark skin people. Is what bothers you the fact that it appeals more to RL dark skin people?

I'm not saying "don't add them". I'm saying "they shouldn't be added just to market to a particular group". Make a character that everyone will like because they're a character. Do it naturally.

A dark-skinned character shouldn't be introduced "for the dark-skinned audience". They should just be introduced. And in an ideal world, nobody would find that remarkable or political.

No one is saying that except the little voice in your head.

[Iscah]

That's not what I'm saying. What you're saying is that adding dark skin people only appeals to dark skin people, it's just natural that it would appeal more to RL dark skin people. Is what bothers you the fact that it appeals more to RL dark skin people?

I'm not saying that. I'm saying that's what you appear to be saying, by saying that the reason a character should be added is to appeal to one certain demographic that resembles that character.

I don't think a character's skin colour should have any bearing on who does or doesn't like them. It's just an indicator linked to which part of the world they originate from.

[Theodric]

Do you guys remember when they added the New World gear? The native-inspired headdress and clothing?

People. Lost. Their. Minds.

They were saying that it was an affront to native peoples, that the headdresses and feathers had certain symbolism and putting it as a "costume" in game was derogatory. Nevermind the fact that we're talking about a fantasy world with some pieces inspired by real life. Nevermind that you get a freaking Haka from bird people and other totally incongruent things.

I feel like there should be more variety of skin tones and such in the game, but don't just put them in there because right now it's the "woke" thing to do. Do it because it makes sense for the questline or the character. I think after that whole headdress fiasco they're probably thinking they should stay as far away from it as possible.

I remember that, yes. It was little more than an attempt to manufacture outrage. You can even look back through the thread and see that none of those who claimed it was terrible thought it was terrible enough to actually take their leave of the game.

Which if a common trend, I've noticed - and often the people who express outrage don't belong to the group they're seeking to 'defend' or, worse yet, they mock and harass those who do belong to that group who say they aren't bothered by the addition of such glamour.

As a gay guy, my experience through life has been that the only homophobia I have encountered has come from 'woke' individuals who get angry the moment I don't allow myself to be a platform for them to profit off of and/or virtue signal over.

[Amnmaat]

I'm not saying that. I'm saying that's what you appear to be saying, by saying that the reason a character should be added is to appeal to one certain demographic that resembles that character.

Oh so now you're telling me what I said? You're funny, truly. I said dark skin appeals more to myself and people like myself. The fact that you have a problem with that doesn't reflect well on you.

I don't think a character's skin colour should have any bearing on who does or doesn't like them. It's just an indicator linked to which part of the world they originate from.

Of course you don't, or so you'd like people to believe you don't. I don't have a problem if the new characters in the next patches and/or expansions are all pale skin, I'm not sure I can say the very same thing about you if almost all of the new characters are all dark skin.