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    Quote Originally Posted by Chione View Post
    Shouldn't be an issue at all tbh. Lilja isn't black. She's a Viera. Gaius isn't brown. He's a Garlean. The color of one's skin isn't the definition of race or the target of racism in FFXIV's world. Only in the real world do people put so much focus on skin color. This thread is just another example of that.

    Anyway I definitely echo the request to have Gaius invited. He could check the full-blooded Garlean and dark-skinned box. You know, if checking boxes matters to people that much I mean.

    I just think he's neat. :3
    What box? From what I read of the OP it didn't mention anything about checking boxes, it was requesting representation.
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    I really hate when people try and hammer race politics in to games that already allow for representation via character creation. I say this as a Mexican American with no representation what's so ever in many of my favorite Fantasy series.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Iscah View Post
    That sounds like a great description of what little we know of Meracydia. Hostile, unexplored and home to strange and unfamiliar creatures from an Eorzean perspective.
    Your original comment was that looking at the map indicates that Eorzea is Europe, but the map we have shows an African shaped continent in the place where Africa would be.

    We do actually see a bit more of the planet in one cutscene, where we see Hydaelyn from space. Assuming that island far to the south of Eorzea is Meracydia, then it seems more like a potential Australia proxy to me.







    Quote Originally Posted by Iscah View Post
    I really do not see the parallels between that "idea of Africa" and Eorzea from an in-game perspective. Eorzea is set up as "home", the familiar place for the characters. There are cities and civilisations. Meracydia is the distant and unknown.
    Of course the Eorzeans don't view themselves as particularly savage or their home as particularly wild, I doubt the Africans did either when the Europeans came over to conquer their cities and topple their civilizations.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jandor View Post
    Your original comment was that looking at the map indicates that Eorzea is Europe, but the map we have shows an African shaped continent in the place where Africa would be.
    Except it is not where Africa would be. It is mostly where Europe would be - entirely north of the equator, with the northern parts a long way north and only the southern tip reaching the tropics.

    If anything it is, as I said earlier, positioned like Europe with the northern part of Africa mashed into it, and the southern land mass (presumably Meracydia) might be the southern part of Africa.

    And please check your atlas because Australia is neither south of Europe, south of Africa or shaped anything like that - so if that's meant to be Australia then the "Eorzea must be Africa because it's shaped like it" argument doesn't carry in the first place.

    If there is an Australia and the world maps 1:1 with ours (which I would say it clearly doesn't) then it is somewhere south of Othard. There does in fact appear to be the edge of a land mass there where the map is fading out.

    As for my take on the how the rest of the "Three Great Continents" map out if Eorzea is Europe, I suspect that Ilsabard may be Russia alone if you split it off from the rest of Asia and slid it sideways. The northern coast of Othard loosely resembles the southern border of Russia - if you assume that inland sea on the western edge is somewhere around the Caspian Sea, and at the other end the Bay of Yanxia is the Yellow Sea, with that odd hook being the Korean peninsula. Hingashi doesn't exactly match the shape or placement of Japan even though it's clearly in the spirit of it.

    Meanwhile, it looks like Thavnair might be shaped like India. There's even a Sri Lanka.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Iscah View Post
    Except it is not where Africa would be.


    Except it really is. The known world is roughly laid out as Africa & Asia with Europe missing.

    Quote Originally Posted by Iscah View Post
    And please check your atlas because Australia is neither south of Europe, south of Africa or shaped anything like that.
    Check my atlas, lol, that's rich.



    It's obviously turned on its side, thought you of all people would understand that
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    Ya'll people...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jandor View Post
    Except it really is. The known world is roughly laid out as Africa & Asia with Europe missing.
    It's a northern hemisphere map. As the globe makes clear.



    Quote Originally Posted by Jandor View Post
    It's obviously turned on its side, thought you of all people would understand that
    I know what my home country looks like. That is not it, sideways, backwards or otherwise and it is definitely nowhere near there on the world map.

    That other continent on the very edge of the map though? That's exactly where it should be, south of Othard.
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    I want a person of purple so my people are finally represented in a game so Twitter will give me likes.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Iscah View Post
    I know what my home country looks like. That is not it, sideways, backwards or otherwise and it is definitely nowhere near there on the world map.
    Cool, I know what my home looks like too. No matter which way you turn, twist or otherwise contort Europe, it doesn't look like Eorzea.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jandor View Post


    Except it really is. The known world is roughly laid out as Africa & Asia with Europe missing.
    On further thought I realised that this map is very misleadingly proportioned and is not comparing like to like.

    The Earth map shows both north and south hemispheres, but the Hydaelyn map is only the north hemisphere - and you've stretched the image out to double its original height so the shapes are warped. It's not an accurate comparison of the two world maps in the same configuration.

    We have the globe and the full world map derived from it that you posted earlier. Based on that, you can see where the equator should be, and that should allow you to proportion the two maps more accurately. They should be keeping their original proportions - scale it up or down, but don't change one dimension without the other.
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